Would you invite this man to speak at your church

Since,

even if my particular post happens to be in the

it's time for a brief

Some 'apostles' definitely were not of the so-called "original twelve." (There are an at least an additional 'twelve' to whom this designation is applied, with a few, including Timothy, having this done in an indirect manner, in addition to the unnumbered "false apostles" of which Scripture speaks.) I will give some that this designation is 'directly' applied to

13.) - Paul, also known as Saul, [No, his name was not "changed", contrary to what is often preached. (Ac. 13:9)] is likely the best known, of these. (Rom. 1:1)

14.) - Matthias and Yes! He truly is an apostle and not some 'impostor' in this office, despite that claim, which is sometimes made. (Ac. 1:15-26, esp v. 26; cp. Ac. 6:2)

15.) - James, the Lord's brother (Ac. , aka "James, the Just" by the Early Church, adn who 'rose' to be an acknowledged leader of the Jerusalem church (Ac. 15:13; 21:18; Gal. 1:19; 2:9,12) and who had received a 'personal visit' from his own half-brother, the resurrected Lord (I Cor. 15:7) in order to distinguish him from James, the son of Zebedee, and known as James the Great, who was martyred by Herod Agrippa I, ~ 44 AD , and James, the Son of Alphaeus, aka James the Less, ( Mk. 15:40 - 'Less', refers to shot of stature, vs. 'tall', IMO, although recently many scholars are suggesting this referred to their chronological ages.) with James, the Great and James, the Less both being among "The Twelve."

16.) - Barnabas (Act. 14:14)

17.) - Andronicus (Rom. 16:7)

18.) - Junia or Junias (Rom. 16:7) Possibly a woman who was an apostle?? Could be either male or female! Scripture nowhere declares that this gift was "gtender specific" and restricted to men only. Regardless, these two were "noted" among the apostles.

19.) - Epaphroditus (Phil'p. 2:25)

20.) - Last, but certainly not least, Christ Jesus. (Heb. 3:1) Rather, He is 'The First' among the Apostles.

Now back to our regularly scheduled argument.

Ed

 

You are correct. :thumbs:

There were so many that were so obvious, some were easier to miss seeing.

BTW, He (or she) did not use "I" there, making that still another grammatical error with no subject. Frankly, the 'English' 'sounds' suspiciously akin to much of the 'spam' I have seen originating in other countries where English is 'learned' by someone, as a second, third, or fourth, language, and often just for internet purposes,

I really suspect the 'Apostle' might likely 'need' his 'transportation monies' "In Advance" but I merely did not mention this, before. And I would not be greatly surprised, if upon receiving any such an advance, a sudden illness might overtake him, preventing his fulfilling his appearance, and unfortunately requiring these funds be used to cover uninsured and unforeseen costly 'medical expenses.'

Personally, I keep an "eleven foot pole" handy in the barn, just for things I "would not touch with a ten foo...!"

Ed

 

I admit I may have 'judged' a bit hasty in some of my responses to this "Apostle Dirk _____" having 'clicked' now, on that name to get some hits. I hope I have misjudged this, and that this is simply someone doing this e-mail, that is barely fluent in English, if talented at the 'internet'.

If so, I apologize, profusely. I mean to judge no one of good intentions, harshly, and never even thought to bother to invest time to search out some real individual, on the internet. When I did, I found well-written bits regarding this individual, and not something like the reported e-mail, which I did not find.

My original answer, given in post # 12, should therefore stand, and I apologize for jumping to 'contusions' on the later posts.

And I apologize for letting my own ideas regarding spammers cloud my judgment, both to the BB and to anyone I may have unintentionally and unknowingly 'hurt', here.

Follow the advice of Gamaliel. (post # 12) That advice was sound almost 2000 years ago; that advice is still sound, today.

Ed

P.S. I would add that when I randomly 'clicked' on the first one I opted to, what to my wondering eyes should appear, but a video of our own, late of the BB, member some of us lovingly dubbed as "spamderson" preaching a message.

And when I found the video of "Apostle Dirk ____", among the videos on that site, and 'clicked' on it, the first two words on that screen were "drive by". Coincidence?? I wonder! As I suggested before, I believe I will still keep a healthy dose of skepticism, here, but will try and avoid future 'prejudging' based on less than thorough information.

[Edited to add!]

BTW, I will appeal to the Moderators of this forum and BB Administrators here, especially to the Moderators Dr. Bob, DHK, Frogman, Clint Kritzer, blackbird, and Bible-boy. I could have deleted the posts, here, that I myself have deemed as perhaps offensive, even though this was not my intent, and I ask that you should please feel free to delete all or parts of any of them, should any or all of you deem that something has, in fact, crossed 'the line in the sand'.

However, I posted my sincere apology, and I am unwilling to get in a "free shot" or two, then delete the (potential) offense as though it never happened, by "ducking and running". In my opinion, that is 'dealing' in a deceitful manner, and that is not my style, for "guile" and/or "cheap shots" is not the way I operate.

 

I kinda understood that a "NEW AGE MOVEMENT" happened every year on your birthday.

 

I had a movement once.

 

NOOOO!!! (To both the OP and Saggy's movement)

 

is this him?

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=d6a87520f0a8d1ac18f7

This must be the guy....he asks if any of the kids are going to church,....most of them raise their hands. Then he tells the rest to just repeat a prayer with him...no preaching first, no explaining what sin is, and what the consequences of sin are....and he has the kids repeat a prayer with him. He has them also to pray directly to the Holy Spirit and Jesus and invite BOTH of them into the kids's hearts towards the end of this prayer.

There seem to be tons of his videos on this "god" tube thingie.

 

I'd have this guy at my church in a New York minute.






Of course, I always enjoy good Christian comedy.

 

I noticed that he's an "apostle" from the "New Wine Network of Apostles." This sounds like it could be associated with or a spinoff from the NAR (New Apostolic Reformation), also called the "Five Fold Movement," (and part of the Kansas City Prophets) which comes from the Latter Rain movement earlier.

If he's a part of that, they believe that they must establish the Kingdom before Jesus can come back, and that we have to pray in order for God to "release" his blessings and for God to do things on earth. They also believe we must restore the office of apostle and prophet in the "true" churches. This is a divisive movement that teaches that churches that do not follow their prophets and apostles and is not in their movement will not be part of the "True Church." They are very oriented toward mysticism and receiving "revelation" beyond the Bible.

So this "mass conversion" here would fit in with this scenario -- that they are pulling in people into the "kingdom" so Jesus can come back. They will probably report that all these kids (and whoever else prayed) became believers.

People involved in the NAR include C Peter Wagner, Rick Joyner, Mike Bickle, Dutch Sheets, Cindy Jacobs, Ted Haggard (at least he was once), Bob Jones (not the Bob Jones of Bob Jones of BJ University), and many others. They are having an influence on many evangelical churches, especially in the Midwest. I know of a small town in WI where a friend of mine says they are infiltrating the churches there.

That may be why this guy emails churches (if it's the same guy) - to get in the door and bring these teachings.

 

What a deception, Marcia!

What a deception...this is really awful stuff, isn't it.

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So this "mass conversion" here would fit in with this scenario -- that they are pulling in people into the "kingdom" so Jesus can come back. They will probably report that all these kids (and whoever else prayed) became believers.

All about the numbers, then...thus the veiled promise of doubling or tripling a pastor's church attendance! :BangHead:

your sis in Christ,
Beth

 

I suggest that timely movements might well prevent un-timely moments. [FONT=verdana,sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=verdana,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=verdana,sans-serif] [/FONT]

Ed

 

I'd say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!