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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Apr 5, 2008.

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  1. Does not allow women to vote in church business meetings

    41 vote(s)
    70.7%
  2. Requires women to wear dresses

    47 vote(s)
    81.0%
  3. The pastor know who gives how much money

    24 vote(s)
    41.4%
  4. The church pratices closed communion

    32 vote(s)
    55.2%
  5. does not believe in Sunday School for children

    35 vote(s)
    60.3%
  6. does not allow you to have a TV set

    50 vote(s)
    86.2%
  7. does not allow you to go to movies

    46 vote(s)
    79.3%
  8. does not allow you to go to dances

    41 vote(s)
    70.7%
  9. Other

    9 vote(s)
    15.5%
  10. None of the above

    8 vote(s)
    13.8%
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  1. Frogman

    Frogman <img src="http://www.churches.net/churches/fubc/Fr

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    Dear Brother Tim,
    I have no problem with this as you are the recognized moderator of this particular body.

    I would take issue in the fact that there is a reason from Eve to Numbers 30 and extending to the NT era and through our own that women are to be censured.

    That reason is not founded upon emotionalism of either shade, either for or against women.

    Your recognition of a sister to speak is the concern of yourself and the body over which the Holy Spirit has given you the oversight. I disagree with it, that does not make void your duty and responsibility as you see it according to Scripture.

    Why does the Bible seem to deal so 'border-line abusively' with women?

    Why is it possible for a man (husband, father, etc.) to make void the vow of a 'woman'? Is there a reason or is this just something Moses included to cause us this controversy today, thus, something we might ignore?

    bro. Dallas:wavey:
     
  2. Frogman

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    The beauty of this possibility is that this forum is not the church.

    The question is in regard to what is biblical and what is not. It is framed so as to make someone who wishes to enter a biblically sound NT body is made to think that a degree of 'strictness' is error.

    Does the question of having a tv relate to my wanting a tv in my home, or in the church?

    In my home I do have one, which is evident by the fact that I also engage on the web.

    In my church there is no place for a tv.

    A simple guage is whether we can see something practiced in the NT, if not, we should not add it to our worship.

    Someone said the "lost" are permitted to wear 'pants;'

    What does this mean; who can see the heart founded upon a simple visitation of our services? Who can see the heart founded upon clothing?

    We should be more concerned with the fact that we are only trying to justify our own actions by denouncing the actions and practice of others. Is this true religion?

    Does the Bible not teach a man to dress like a man and a woman like a woman?

    Would I ask a visitor to leave because she was dressed like a man?

    No.

    What would I do if a man visited dressed like a woman? Would such a man seen in public worship in a dress be accepted by us?

    :BangHead:

    bro. Dallas:wavey:
     
  3. Joe

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    Again, I tried to clarify but you refuse to hear the truth. Here is my post, it does NOT mention the opposite sex spending time alone together. I stated it is not good for them to spend "too much time" together under the guise of church business. Big difference.
    So your thinking the "unthinkable" is coming from your own mind, not mine.

    With this proof, we can let it rest now please. Thanks for the clarification upon your post, though I cannot agree. I will do further study on it though.

    Edited to add: and the kids game I brought up was to show it would be difficult for a Deacon to speak for anyone in a business meeting, as the story never seems to remain the same unless it comes from the horses mouth.
     
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  4. Frogman

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    Dear Brother Joe,
    You have neither offended me nor hurt me.

    Your statement regarding the 'two' spending too much time together 'under the guise of church business' what does that really mean, just so I will know how to understand it the next time I hear it or read it as stated.

    I doubt a deacon, who is a leader in the church, who has the church's best interest in his mind and heart will fail to convey the opinions, wishes and wants of a sister who is both in good standing and likewise has the best interest of the church's concerns upon her own heart and mind.

    I am sorry to have stated the Biblical truth here. Is that good enough of an apology?

    Besides, looking at the poll, or should I call it a 'toll', there is no mention of women speaking in the church, the question is of women voting. I said I have never been in a body where women were prohibited from voting, provided they are members in good standing.

    I will go back and look at the requesites the world holds over and above the churches of God before they will enter into her gates. If I have misinterpreted those, I will return to this open forum and recant and apologize.

    Where the world is welcome into the body is where I do not want to be.


    Some people need to read the history of Sunday Schools; they are both extra and unbiblical; these extra and unbiblical practices are destroying the churches.

    Again, I am not hurt nor offended for my faithfulness to scripture.

    Edited to say: Brother Joe, I respect you also. I have no desire to offend you for offense sake. The fact of a sister voting in business meeting is a local fact; the business meeting, btw, is the first place where a woman can, will and does usurp the authority of a man or men.

    Still, I support the right of each local member to vote in business meetings.



    bro. Dallas:wavey:
     
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  5. Joe

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    Well...I guess I was thinking of when I headed an event in church last halloween. (& Our Decaons are pretty careful about these things)
    Towards the end, alot of the talk between me and another was not about the event, but on other things. There is nothing techinically wrong with it, it was under the guise of a church event and we were never alone, either in my home or at Starbucks. I thinking about it later, much of it could have been handled via the telephone or email. I believe people should be aware as best they can to protect themselves.
    Our experience with others reiterating people's thoughts in a business meeting haven't been good, even though they have their best interests at heart. So our Pastor wants to hear it from the horses mouth whenever possible. Glad to hear you have experienced the opposite.

    Not sure what you are talking about but alright. I am sorry too

    I agree :thumbs:
    Actually, I think our churches are similar. Mine is very conservative imo.
    We probably have more in common that we know :1_grouphug: Take care brother
     
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    Dear Brother Joe,
    I think most people experience disagreement primarily because we each express things according to our regional understanding(s). In doing so, we each assume someone from another region should accept our practices based upon our expressions. In essence I think our actual practices are not too far apart, it is our abilities to bridge the regional gaps that keep us 'apart' understand:laugh:

    We usually are saying the same thing(s) only saying them differently.

    bro. Dallas:wavey:
     
  7. Joe

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    Amen brother :1_grouphug: thanks
     
  8. Salty

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    Having been raised in the north, I saw several things that were different when I went down South (1970) for example no mixed swimming, no eating in the church building, smoking seemed to be more acceptable (especially in Winston-Salem, NC) more outward racial segregation in church services, and ect. This was not all in one church, but in some I saw when I was down south. There are some more examples, just cant think of anymore at the moment.

    Salty

    PS oh yea Those rebels try to pass grits off as food:laugh:
     
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    "The church pratices closed communion"

    Just what is meant by "closed communion"? Is it members only, saved only, or something else?
     
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    I'm sorry but My church is Elder lead and each year "THE MEMBERS" are sent plots to vote. And being a Member I vote. But even when I wasn't in leadership.
     
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    The common understanding is that it is the Lord Supper for members only.

    Another expression, "close" communion usually refers to Baptists only.

    Open Communion means any professing Christian may partake

    Actually for me, I would join a church that practices closed communion, all other things being satisfactory.
     
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    ...then your church isn't elder led, it's congregationally led.
     
  13. JerryL

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    If it's like my Church it is Elder led, the yearly vote is only for the budget. Each leader of each group runs the group as they see fit and if they need items for their particular group they just buy it and turn the receipt into the pastor or elders for reimbursment. There is no monthly business meeting with all the congregation voting, just once a year on the buget. It does seem to run smoother, there is no vote for the petty things, like carpet and paint, the pastor decides.
     
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    But who appoints the elders?
     
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    I answered before I realized that the question was more about do you agree than if you would join.
    If this was the only fellowship of christians in the area, then I would set aside my "rights" and become a part of the body. It does not mean that I agree but that the fellowship is more important.

    Some of you are so bitter about your former experiences. You need to get over it.
     
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    So Fellowship is more important than doctrine?
     
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    The Sunday school for children thing made me laugh.
     
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    I love it :wavey:
     
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    Now when this poll was formed, were you thinking "not allowed" as in anyone not fitting the description being escorted out of the building under guard? or were you thinking "preached against"?

    I've been in many churches where some of those things were preached against but that's not the same thing as escorting people out the door. I've seen some of those things preached against and seen Scripture being used to very good effect in those sermons.

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    imo, the women in the early church didn't have any vote at all. I base that opinion on the fact that when the Bible records numbers it often then adds a little comment like "as well as women and children." This happened both times Jesus fed the multitudes - 5000 were fed, plus women and children.

    Again only in my opinion, but wives were supoosed to follow their husband and be one with him, so his vote counted for both of them. Not that she didn't have value, but that he spoke for their household, so he was the one who got to make THEIR collective vote public.
     
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    So, we're into "motive judging" now?
     
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