Would you sing this song in your church?

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  1. Dale-c

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    Would you sing this song in your church or would you be opposed to it due to it's doctrine?

    It was written by Isaac Watts about 300 years ago, so I don't think anyone would object due to the "style"

     
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    I think the name of this site should be changed from Baptist Board to Calvinist Board.
     
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    While I have never heard the song, after reading it, I don't find any personal objections to its doctrine.

    But I did spot the exact lines and phrases that others would object to.
     
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    Would you sing this song in your church?

    I'm familiar with the hymn (I'm very familiar with Watts' body of work) , and have no particular objection to it beign sung in church. But I also don't rely on hymntunes as a source for doctrinal guidance. If I did, I'd have to discard "We Three Kings" from church.
     
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    lines like this...

    if you don't like the board....
     
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    I take it you would object to singing it then?
     
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    The first line is enough to keep me from wanting to sing it. There is nothing awful about any place where my Saviour is. I long to be where He is.
     
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    Good point, which I neglected to point out in my earlier hasty post. Some hymnals change the word "awful" in the tune to "awesome". This is because the word "awful" used here is the Old English word, meaning "full of awe". Awful no longer means that. Several of Watts' lyrics are simialrly changed in some more recently published hymnals.

    On "Cyber Hymnal", the hymn is listed as "How Sweet and Awesome Is This Place":
    cyberhymnal.org/htm/h/s/hsweetaw.htm
     
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    No. I would sing it. But I know that this thread was started as another Cal/non Cal thread. It seems that's all that's being posted lately. Just more of the same old arguments. :sleep:
     
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    nice.................
     
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    Interesting nugget of info for the KJVO'ers!!:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Well, since the ones using this board to spew the venom in that arena are arminian, you might want to take that up with them, instead of with the calvinists.
    I was thinking that myself. I wonder if they will insist that hymn lyrics are not allowed to be updated.
     
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    We sang this Sunday evening and we also changed it to awesome. really, awesome and awful are basically synonymous terms but one is mostly used these days in a negative way (awful) and the other, awesome is mostly used positively.

    Another word that has been changed is "sweetly forced" has been changed to "sweetly drew"
     
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    Who brought up calvinism/arminianism?

    If you have no doctrinal problems with it as a non-calvinist then why should this just turn into another calvinist debate?
     
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    So why do you think any on this board would object to singing this song? What about it is objectionable?
     
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    That is the question I asked in the OP. So far no one has said that they object.

    THe lyrics are certainly written from a calvinistic perspective.
    The point of the OP was not just another "C/A" debate but to discuss this song because I think many do not question the lyrics to traditional songs.
     
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    I like it...only because it uses the word awful, and I think we should reclaim that word as it was originally intended.

    However, I would refuse to sing it because there's just no way to make Feast and guest rhyme, and the rest of the song rhymes. They're not even close, unlike the other ones that are acceptable matches even if not perfectly rhymed.

    As far as the doctrine, it brings to mind both the sovereignty of God and the choice of man in a beautiful way.
     
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    Right. I'm tired of all the threads being on that topic as well. It gets old so fast, and everyone says the same thing.

    They used to have a Calvinist/non-Cal forum which was good, since it all went there. But the mods got rid of it (I think because it was too contentious or mean spirited or something like that) and so it all spills over into this forum and the Baptist Theology forum.
     
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