Would You Take the Mark of the Beast?

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  1. righteousdude2

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    If the government continues as it is, a majority of citizens will more than likely be on some form of public assistance, meaning that their incomes, the very roof over their heads [and loved one's heads]; medical care [prescriptions, dialysis, surgeries, etc.]; ability to buy gas, food, pay utilities, etc. could one day all be tied into a system that could terminate all the above should a person not take the mark of the beast [kind of what we are told will happen any ways].

    If not taking the mark, involved those you loved, and not just yourself, what would you do?

    I know, as hard a choice as it would be, I'd have to say, "Take your mark and shove it!" However, what if you were living in a rest home, and had no visible means of caring for yourself, what would you do?

    If your child, or spouse were being cared for [long term care] and not taking the mark meant their imminent death. What would you do?

    If you could buy no gas, food, or remain in your home, what would you do?

    There is an endless number of scenarios to consider, and while I know most believers would say a [flat out] "No!" My question is, would they really say no when the time came?

    I'd love to hear your comments, and please don't cop-out with the thought that the church will be raptured, so this is a non issue. I have always said that if those of old had to suffer for what they believed, what makes us so much different or even better? I believe in the rapture, but I think we may face some tribulation and life-threatening decisions for the Kingdom prior to our one-way flight.

    So try to suppose, if He tarries, and the mark is made your only option [in fact, you don't even realize at first that it is an all-inclusive mark that is of the beast]. How would you handle it, when you have loved ones depending on you???

    After all, most Americans do have some form of a debit card, checks come by way of electronic deposits, and I was told that my HMO is developing a micro-ship that [once implanted under your skin], will be used to secure services and pull up medical files when a time for help, or medical services are needed. Do I consider taking that chip in order to remain with this insurance carrier [because I have several chronic diseases]. After all, it will be a convenience over carrying a card, and waiting for my file to arrive when I have a life threatening need.

    What would you do? I assume, the choice may be more difficult and even more confusing to many of us than we may ever imagine.

    I was just thinking out loud. Please don't judge my theology, as I'm not looking to judge yours. I just wondered how we would handle things, should we eventually get to the point when microchips are the new rage, and the only way to do business.

    Shalom :type:
     
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    My personal belief-----excluding the rapture, as you mentioned above----is that this "mark" will come in a "stealthy" sort of way----perhaps as a "Pre" deception---upon the Earth's inhabitants

    Probably about 99.99999% of all believers are ignorant of the "End Times"---rapture, resurrection of church--the deception and deceiving of THE antichrist---and thus would be deceived into TAKING the mark

    Long story short---the way you have decribed the scenerio---taking a mark in any fashion would be akin to that person casting their total reliance upon the one who is in back of the concept

    Refusing to take the "mark" would mean that I am casting my total self--my wants--my needs--my sustanence---my very self upon the Lord ---instead of me taking the MARK of man---I cast my care and burden upon the Lord Jesus---so therefore---I receive what Lord Jesus has to offer and give and not what the man behind the mark has to give.


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  3. Aaron

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    The Mark is not a literal mark. To receive the Mark of the Beast is to either consent to antichrist doctrines (receiving the mark on the forehead) or doing antichrist works whether or not one consents (receiving the mark on the hand).
     
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    Scripture Please...

    Aaron,...I'm not saying you are right or wrong......but can you demonstrate what you just said from scripture? How can you be so sure it is NOT a literal mark of some kind? I believe most of this world will willingly accept this "mark" (whatever it is) as "business as usual" without much fanfare when the time for it's institution comes just like we accepted the advent of credit cards and debit cards. We see in our day how easy a thing deception is becoming. I have to believe that the Lord will not leave His true children defenseless to this deception. BUT....that said...since it is not yet here, how will we know and recognise what is going on? Your opinion?

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    You Couldn't have said it better....

    I should have you write my next question, as you did a great job summing it up, in a nutshell. I agree. The mark will come via great deception. Most of us may have it, and not know it until the beast makes himself known to the world. It is at that time, when you know it is the mark, that you will have a choice. Drop kicks it over the goal post, or stays with it for personal needs.


    For many it will be a life and eaath decision!
    Thanks Blackbird!
     
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    Btw...

    ...regarding my HMO. They are offering both the chip, or to let us use our a new member card with encoded strip. I will stick with the card for as long as it is permissable.
     
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    was this mark visible to natural men?

    Ezekiel 9 (King James Version)
    King James Version (KJV)

    9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

    2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

    3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

    4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

    5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

    6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

    7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

    8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

    9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not.

    10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

    11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me
     
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    Dont have to worry about something that has already been done in the time frame of AD70 its over with Done !!!
     
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    Nope

    The events of AD70 have no relevant modern Biblical prophetic significance and are not related to anything of a literal Biblical endtime nature in OUR current time-frame. It is not possible to demonstrate ANYTHING (in context & in the literal sense) in the Bible that teaches otherwise. Anybody that thinks that such a wild notion is possible can consider this an official CHALLENGE to show how this kind of strange doctrine is even remotely demonstratable from a literal and contextual Biblical point of view. The very nature of the world we NOW live in is a clear contradiction of this fantasy.

    In my humble opinion!:saint: (Please NOTE: I pointed no fingers nor called any names!)

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    There is a school of thought that centers around 2 Thess. 2:11-12 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


    thats says no Gentiles will be saved during this Great Tribulation because they will be made to believe the same lies that they do before the Great Tribulation.

    In other words if they don't accept the truth now, then they are going to reject it the same way during the Great Tribulation. So if you go by that those people will accept the mark as they continue to reject Christ.
     
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    The scripture links receiving the mark of the beast to worship of the beast. So I believe it will be an identifiable mark and an identifiable act of worship. People will make a conscious choice, not be deceived into it.

    There are plenty of context clues in the passage, and from the history of the time period, that point to the fact that taking the mark requires an awareness of what it is. The early Christians though the beast was Nero, in fact, the Latin vulgate translates the number to 616 from 666 because of numerology related to assigning mathematical values to the letters of his name and adding them up. So they interpreted the mark to be something they would know, and be able to make a choice.
     
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    If I can't answer with the truth, then I have nothing to say except good luck with that.
     
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    Don't know what its going to be, but I don't plan on being here when it is assigned.
     
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    True that! :thumbs:
     
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    Arno C. Gaebelein, a prominent dispensational writer early in the 20th Century makes as much sense as can be made about the Mark when he says [Gregg, Revelation, Four Views, page 306]:

    Gaebelein goes on to say:

    which makes sense to me!

    How does that grab all?
     
  16. righteousdude2

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    Hey Dog....

    ...I pray you're right. But let's suppose you're a little wrong. Would you deny the mark?

    You see; I look at it this way....If you guys are right i have nothing to lose and everything to gain...however, if you are wrong, well I'm preparing myself for what may come. My question to your pre-trib folks is just that: If you are wrong, do you have a contingency plan?

    As I said in the OP, if God allowed believers of old to suffer through persecution, what makes us any better? From the days of Noah forward, mankind has suffered, as well as the chosen. Why should we think we are any better than those who came before us? It stands to reason that our faith "may" one day be tested to the max. And if there is even a minute chance of my being correct, will those who thought they escaped the tribulation [in any form] be able to with stand the torment of the oppressors???
     
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    I agree, but some would say everyone who has a SSN already has the mark. I think some have been watching too many SyFy movies.
     
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    If you have been saved and spiritually placed in Christ, why not take the mark of the Beast? It will be as if you did not take it.

    So this act can only apply to the lost, unless you believe contrary to Baptist doctrine that a person can lose their salvation.
     
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    It is all symbolic folks, even dispensationalist Gaebelein made that clear.

    That being said, the Church will still be here on earth until Jesus Christ returns, raises all the dead, saved and unsaved, and sits at the Great White Throne judgment. Then the New Heavens and New Earth where God will tabernacle with redeemed mankind, the Church!
     
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    Van, what would you say to those who would argue that a person who was really saved would not get the mark in the first place, as though it is a behavioral shibboleth?
     

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