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WOW! There are really people who believe that?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Skandelon, Feb 17, 2004.

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  1. Skandelon

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    Just passing through. I'm usually in another area and decided to expand my horizons and visit you guys.

    Honestly, I was quite shocked to discover that there are still people who believe that the KJV is the only version God wants us to use. That really just baffles my mind. :eek:

    My wife and I tutored Greek students in seminary and I remember debating the validity of certain ancient texts used to develop the canon, etc, but I can not imagine someone being so uninformed as to think that those who interpreted the original Greek into English the first time were somehow more inspired or gifted than modern translators are today.

    Today, we have more accurate and older manuscipts with a more complete understanding of the biblical times through archelogical discoveries and the like. By what authority would one deem this translator better than another one? I have heard of apostolic authority but I've never read a thing about translator authority. [​IMG]

    Surely reasonable people understand that the text is written in Hebrew and Greek and that every translation is an interpretation of the original language.

    Don't get me wrong. I like the poetic nature of the KJV, but to consider it as God's ordained version seems quite speculative and extremely narrow-minded to me.

    I still find it difficult to believe that this belief exists with the information we have today. :confused:
     
    #1 Skandelon, Feb 17, 2004
  2. USN2Pulpit

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    Here's some irony: I agree with you, but the above quote is the same thing evolutionists say to creationists.
     
    #2 USN2Pulpit, Feb 17, 2004
  3. Ed Edwards

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    I have difficulty understanding which of
    my three different copies of the KJV
    that i have on my comptuer desk, which
    is the one some people think is the ONLY
    right KJB.

    Skandelon "I can not imagine someone being so uninformed as to think that those who interpreted the original Greek into English the first time were somehow more inspired or gifted than modern translators are today"

    It is worse than that. The KJV was NOT
    the first. So somehow we have some English
    groups of translators set above another
    for no apparent reason.
     
    #3 Ed Edwards, Feb 17, 2004
  4. Skandelon

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    Here's some irony: I agree with you, but the above quote is the same thing evolutionists say to creationists. </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, but the difference is that creationists have biblical authority backing them. KJVO believers don't have anything but their opinions.
     
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  5. cdg

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    Well, be assured Skandelon, there are some that hold to the KJV exclusively and as a result stand against other versions. I am one of them.
     
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  6. Skandelon

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    I hadn't even thought of that. That's right. I just don't get it... [​IMG]
     
    #6 Skandelon, Feb 17, 2004
  7. BrianT

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    1605? God's word? Existed?
     
    #7 BrianT, Feb 18, 2004
  8. gb93433

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    I understand your point well. I have a hard enough time just trying to understand God.
     
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  9. tinytim

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    Yep, tis sad to see people falling for Satan's tricks to turn our worship from the Creator (God)
    to his creation (The KJV)

    What is even sadder is the ones that say they are 1611KJBO and admit they use the 1769KJB.

    Misleading! Satan's little tricks. Why, it even smells of Satan. To say you use one thing only then don't is very deceptive. But we have a whole Denomination (IFBs) that is being invaded by Satan's deception.
     
    #9 tinytim, Feb 18, 2004
  10. Pastor KevinR

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    I'm IFB, and sadly, even here in NYC many IFB Pastors hold as an unwritten rule, as a litmus test, that you have to use the KJV only. Many do not claim to be KJVO, but they say, for the sake of standard version the only use KJV..hey, fine w/ me( and the Lord, too), but the problem is when some of them, when they find out that I use primarily the NKJV, I am felt to be a second class Pastor and the ole "oneupmanship" on their part surfaces, i.e. They're orthodox, and I'm not. I wish I could say it doesn't bother me, but it does. :(
    As far as I know, out of the 12-15 IFB churches that I'm aware of here in the five boroughs, there might be two or maybe three other Pastors who use other BV's. (NKJV). I don't know of any IFB Pastors here who use the NASV, NIV, ESV for preaching/teaching, which I'm glad of, since as far as the N.T. is concerned, I'm Traditional text Preferred. ;)
    Anyhow, thanks for reading my blah blah.
     
    #10 Pastor KevinR, Feb 18, 2004
  11. Anti-Alexandrian

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    If it were true that Bible believers DID in fact worship a Bible(which is a blatant,hackneyed BOMC LIE ),at least we HAVE a Bible to worship.

    But what is truly nauseating is placing Alexandrian philosophy,Gnosticism,scholarship,and Jesuit/Catholic Egyptian mss. of the dark-ages(and their "bibles":niv,nasb,rsv,etc..) over the Graeco/Syrian MSS.of the reformation(and the Bibles from them).
    This whole thread smacks of Bible agnosticism.....


    (P.S.I'm glad you recognize the KJB is of God)
     
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  12. Ed Edwards

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    But what is truly nauseating is saying
    Anti-Alexandrian and ignoring the dozens
    of English translations that were
    translated from un-alexandrian sources.

    Can you spell THIRD MILLENNIUM BIBLE?
    Can you spell 21ST CENTURY KING JAMES?

    [​IMG]
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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  14. Thankful

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    Yes, they really do believe this.

    My dear Sunday School Teacher is 83 years old and occasionally, she will say, "Let's read from the real Bible" meaning the King James Version.

    Out of respect for this dear lady who is a wonderful teacher, no one says a word. We read from the King James Bible. Our Pastor is King James Preferred and when scriptures are read, we are told which version it is from.

    Another point...I have noticed that the KJO people will say that they have their own notes in their Bible telling the meaning of the verses.
    Notes that apparently are based on some person's views, theirs or a preacher's. How is this different than a commentary or another version?
     
    #14 Thankful, Feb 18, 2004
  15. Dr. Bob

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    THAT is the truly saddest part.

    I believe in the Greek/Hebrew inspired Word of God, as did all historic fundamental Baptists. But I am not against other translations, including the AV1611, KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, etc.

    To blatantly say not only that "I believe" something, but that "I am against all others" is a dangerous mindset.
     
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    BAMM! Should have expected the "ad nauseum" attack of AA on this one, spitting forth the same hackneyed and trite lines about "alexandrian philosophy" and "gnosticism".

    IF one truly believed this (cannot envision someone who is able to read and write being so duped) then at least be CONSISTENT. The AV1611 was based on documents editted and even sucked-out-of-the-Vulgate by the #1 leading ALEXANDRIAN ROMAN CATHOLIC of his day - Erasmus.

    You MUST condemn him and his work if you are going to condemn the others.

    Unless, of course, the attacks are all ad hominem . . :rolleyes:
     
    #16 Dr. Bob, Feb 18, 2004
  17. HankD

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    Dear A-A,

    You said
    Yes! And that gnostic Apocrypha which the KJB translators included in their 1611 First Edition!

    OOPS.

    HankD
     
    #17 HankD, Feb 18, 2004
  18. tinytim

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    Yep AA, I know the KJB came from God.
    No argument there.

    As did the NIV, NASB, and a lotof others.

    (PS. I've started using KJB instead of KJV out of respect.)
     
    #18 tinytim, Feb 18, 2004
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    yes-a stand that is completely devoid of legitimacy, veracity, and Scriptural support. It's a shame that new Christians or those seeking Christ must sometimes be subjected to such a fairy tale.
     
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  20. Orvie

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    yes-a stand that is completely devoid of legitimacy, veracity, and Scriptural support. It's a shame that new Christians or those seeking Christ must sometimes be subjected to such a fairy tale. </font>[/QUOTE]"fairy tale"- see 2 Kings 18:4 The Fairy Tale of Nehushtan ;) :D [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
    #20 Orvie, Feb 18, 2004
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