Wrong Renderings In The A.V.

If you enjoy that book you should look into getting his other books, they are equally as good.

 

Not sure that all the above necessarily qualify as "wrong" renderings.

Some probably are poor renderings; some are merely "dated" due to a passing of nearly 400 years; some are likely the result of a questionable textual basis, due to the copies available to the translators; some are likely due merely to the preferences of the translation company; and some are merely likely brought forth from previous English editions.

Point is, there is no such thing as any "perfect" translation, or even "best in every instance" of any version in every word found there.

One does not have to have (or even suspect or find) any nefarious motives, in order that a 'better' rendering of a word or phrase may not be found elsewhere, at some times.

I have personally seen a couple of instances where a translation I would not generally recommend, namely the Message, due to the fact that I think the "translation philosophy" is less than ideal, actually gives a better rendering than do some versions I would usually generally recommend.

I would agree with another that one can usually profit from the works of Dr. Alfred Edersheim, especially by reading The Life and Times of Jesus The Messiah.

Ed

 

"Under the Fifth Rib" = the Hebrew word, ho-mesh

I fifth
Genesis 47:26,

II belly
2 Samuel 2:23 AV
2 Samuel 3:27 AV
2 Samuel 4:6 AV
2 Samuel 20:10 AV

In the LXX, the word is translated as ψόαν meaning the muscles of the pelvis or loins.

…and Abenner smites him with the hinder end of the spear on the loins…
II Kings 2:23 LXX [= 2 Samuel 2:23 English versions]


Years ago I worked in a busy cardiac catheterization lab. On one occasion we had to perform an emergency procedure on a man who had attempted suicide by stabbing himself with a knife in the chest.
At some point between the stabbing and getting to the hospital, the knife was removed. We needed to assess whether the knife caused any life-threatening damage to the heart or its surrounding vessels.
The procedure is generally quick and simple but the patient was aggressively uncooperative, making the study long and arduous. We finally determined that the knife entered probably the only spot in his left chest where it could have missed any important blood vessel. He was one lucky dude.

But the yelling, cursing and contrary nature of the patient left the physician and staff frazzled. After unsuccessfully attempting to explain the results to the patent, the doctor stretched out his hand and pointed to a spot between the fifth and sixth rib on the left side and bellowed, “Next time, here!”


2823 I. (ḥō∙měš): noun [masculine]; ≡ Strong’s 2569; Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament 686b— Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon 60.62-60.66 fifth, i.e., one-fifth 20% part of something (Ge 47:26)

2824 II. (ḥō∙měš): n.masc.; ≡ Str 2570; TWOT 687a—LN 8.67 stomach, belly, i.e., the part of the body between the lowest ribs and the waist, where most of the vital organ reside, focusing on the outer protuberance (2Sa 2:23; 3:27; 4:6; 20:10)

James Swanson, Dictionary of Biblical Languages With Semantic Domains : Hebrew

Also see:
Holladay’s, A Concise Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament (109).
Gesenius' Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament Scriptures (290).

Rob

 

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=51550

 

You did not attribute '"nefarious motives" to the KJV revisers', nor did I, actually. In fact, I was not even considering anything like that, when I typed that, at all.

I was referring to anyone in general, who happened to come up with a different rendering, in any version.

The point I was attempting to make is that there can be a difference of opinion, or even preference, without some 'hidden agenda' in the same manner as there can be a difference of preference intending to support some 'hidden agenda.'

You, yourself, have mentioned a few cases, in the past, where one preferred one thing, and another preferred another. Any marginal reading, such as are found in the 1611 KJV, is likely a good example of a 'non-agenda' variation.

Best case in point I know of for the latter is the NWT rendering of John 1:1, which reading is, IMO, entirely 'grounded' in a false teaching.

Ed

 

One "laments" certain periods of time annually. Although commemorate would suffice, it doesn't carry the full understanding of the verse and the lamenting of her being of age and remaining childless due to her vow of virginity.

"Commemorate" carries a modern understanding applicable to young women who have chosen chastity verses being a harlot, this was NOT the case of Judges 11.

The A.V states, "But God clave an hollow place that [was] in the jaw, and there came water thereout; and when he had drunk, his spirit came again, and he revived: wherefore he called the name thereof Enhakkore, which [is] in Lehi unto this day."

Better check your references.

Gee, and I never knew a monument was in a place!:laugh:
[ compliments of m-w.com]
place:1 a: physical environment : space b: a way for admission or transit c: physical surroundings : atmosphere2 a: an indefinite region or expanse <all over the place> b: a building or locality used for a special purpose

monument:3 a (1): a lasting evidence, reminder, or example of someone or something notable or great (2): a distinguished person b: a memorial stone or a building erected in remembrance of a person or event


One of Saul's biggest failures was he didn't give God the glory He alone deserves.

Actually, "place" shows the purpose of Saul's to have a set place for himself to be reverenced.

Although monument would fit, a monument is usually NOT set up by onesself, but by others to give regard to that person for some great acheivement or something.

"Monument" isn't the best word here and "place' gives the correct reading.

Yep, I can just see a warrior with a javelin between his shoudlers:laugh:

Again, thre Superiority of the A.V.! Samuel was APPOINTED by the Lord to be over the other prophets.

, 2 Sam. 2:23.A.V.:"under the fifth rib"

TNIV,NLTse and ESV : stomach
Net :abdomen
NASBU : belly[/quote] Um, he was stabbed in the heart indicating that condition of his heart

:laugh: Better look just a weebit deeper there.

What about the OXEN? Are't they more than one ox?

I won't waste anymore time with just another senseless rant by Rippon using deplorable reference material.

If one will take the time to look at the use of the words found in the KJB and compare that to the lack of comprehensible use of words found in modern versions one will definitely understand much more about the word of God!

 

Funny...I find comprehension to be a strength of MV's.

 

Well, if you want to maintain a less than full understanding then you are certainly granted that privilege by them.

The KJB is written the way it is so one can fulfill the command to study to shew onesself approved in the word of God to be capable of relating the intent of the Lord, not so men in their high-mindedness can boast their intelligence.

 

Actually, the command is to work diligently; the KJV sez 'study' cuz that was one of its meanings 400 years ago. In current usage, how would one STUDY to be quiet? (1 Thess. 4:11, KJV)

 

It is true that it means to work diligently, but taken in context, it is referring to rightly dividing the word of God, in which it is necessary to "study". I don't see how this is wrong.

 

It isn't actually wrong; it's now ARCHAIC. We almost-universally use 'study' to mean 'examine closely with the purpose of learning'. We do not use it to mean 'work diligently, strive'. That's why modern Bible versions aren't wrong to replace 'study' with 'work diligently'. But some KJVOs wanna have their cake & eat it too. That's why they sometimes make the silly statement that "the KJV is the only English Bible that tells us to study it".

 

I believe you are mistaken. The OED cites instances of the word "study" used in the usual sense going back to the 1300's.

I think that you are taking the root meaning of the Greek word to be the definition of the English word. That is a freshman error.

A.F.