Wrongly Dividing the Word:

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    Isaiah 56:6-7 (KJV)
    6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord,
    to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord,
    to be his servants,
    every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it,
    and taketh hold of my covenant;
    7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain,
    and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
    their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
    for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.



    Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
    23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
    and from one sabbath to another,
    shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.


    I lost count of the instances these verses are thrown around by Sabbatarians as 'proof' of sabbath keeping in eternity. Their zeal is founded in either dishonesty, ignorance or both.

    Let's start with 56:6-7
    It is true sons of strangers are enjoined to keep sabbath. This is used to show that God requires Gentiles as well and not just Jews to keep his sabbath. Is this a smoking gun?
    Look at v7- 'their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;'
    The strangers burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted. But we know burnt sacrifices are no part of NT and we don't imagine they will resume in future.

    If this verse is proof of sabbath keeping for MANKIND and eternity, it is equally proof of burnt offerings for the MANKIND and eternity. Quite preposterous

    And 66:23
    Note it is not worshipping God ON sabbath but FROM sabbath to sabbath. This is simply an expression of continuous worship. A similar phrase is 'day after day' as in Acts 5:42. But Sabbatarians counter by saying the very mention of sabbath means it will be kept. Let's work with that. Note the phrase just before - 'from one new moon to another,'

    If the context is eternity and sabbath is mentioned, and if it's mention means it is kept, then mention of New moon means the monthly feast is also kept in eternity. Very few Sabbatarians are into Jewish feasts. What's their take? They ignore this.

    Much as we are to contend for our faith, supporting our faith using dishonesty is not the way to go. If your doctrine requires lies to prop it, perhaps it is time you discarded it
     
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    hebrews 9:4 (KJV)
    Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant

    Revelation 11:19 (KJV)
    And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


    For some,scriptures are not enough; they resort to visions or hallucinations and add to them :tonofbricks:
    http://egwtext.whiteestate.org/publ...en&collection=2&section=all&pagenumber=18&m=1

    OBSERVATIONS
    1.The ark of the covenant is seen in heaven
    2. The ark of the covenant contains the stone tablets with the Ten Commandments


    CONCLUSION
    Sabbath keeping is eternal as it is recorded in heaven!

    Sounds smart until you realize there are other commandments which are redundant.

    'do not kill'
    At resurrection, mortality is clothed with immortality, death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire. So, who risks dying to warrant a commandment against killing?

    Honor your father and mother
    But I thought at regeneration there is neither marriage nor giving in marriage. Will we have parents in heaven? Or we should honor those who died older than us? Methuselah the oldest guy, if he made it, he gets all the honors seeing he the oldest:laugh:

    Do not commit adultery
    But there is no marriage and families.

    Do not steal
    Steal what? BobRyan's bling?

    Moving on, what about the other components of the ark? What is the functional value of a budding rod? A confirmation of Aaron as a priest when everyone is a kingdom of priests? What about the manna?

    Revelation 21:22-24 (ESV)
    22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. 23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, 25 and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there


    Towards the end, John sees no temple and its absence is promptly explained; God is the temple. and if there is no temple, then all the temple components are non existent; no golden censers, ark, curtains....

    There is no night. How would you count days to remember the seventh seeing there are no evenings and mornings?
     
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    As usual, lame apologies abound and are worth a dime a dozen


    Let's look at one attempt to refute the Wisdom with which I have burst their Isaiah 56 arguments.
    We do not 'ignore anything', we rightly divide the word. A scripture showing Gentiles keeping sabbath alongside another showing them offering animal sacrifices means BOTH of them are as relevant. Unlike BobRyan, God does not mince words. It is clear Isaiah 56 was addressing men under the OT and that's why God included aspects of the Law (currently OBSOLETE to us)

    Yes BobRyan, you cherry pick what God is saying to Gentiles. You toss out animal sacrifices and you keep sabbath. Why? Because you are reading INTO the text. At the back of your funny head, you are thinking, 'animal sacrifices are obsolete, but sabbath is eternal'. You are reading this bias of yours into Isaiah, and then you use it as proof of your bias!

    If you want to prove sabbath is for Gentiles, please use something else

    Here is how I pick what to keep and what to discard from OT. If it is REPEATED,modified,not forbidden, I keep it, else I discard it. This is why I don't anoint rocks like Jacob and Abraham but I believe and am accounted righteous

    BobRyan is desperate. With such CLEAR warnings against blasphemy, who needs taking the Lord's name in vain spelt out for them? More importantly, Isaiah 56 is no proof of Gentile keeping sabbath any more than it is of them offering sacrifices. Simple...so simple it hurts

    There is nothing moral in the sabbath. Bleat it 100000 times and it still remains. You don't bleat morality into a commandment. The context of Isaiah 56 is clearly pre-Calvary. When it 'seemed good' to the Jerusalem Council and Holy Spirit to not impose circumcision to Gentiles, I suppose they were refuting God's word.

    In any case, what is a MORAL COMMANDMENT/OBLIGATION?

    it is Sabbatarians who mercilessly butcher scriptures. They are the ones offering Isaiah 56 as proof of sabbath in eternity not to mention as a requirement for Gentiles. I just responded to this nonsense with the hammer of God and now they are whining
     
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    You can WRONGLY divide the word by misquoting scriptures or by half-truths. A perfect example of blatant half-truth here. Try and spot it


    Seen it?
    What is the commandment of God in this verse?
    A. Honor thy father and mother
    B. Whoso curse the father or mother let him die the death

    The answer is BOTH of them. The first one tells you to honor your parents and the other one tells you not to curse them else you should be killed.

    But BobRyan ONLY sees Jesus offended at modification of the former which is one of the Ten Commandments. Why is this? If he admitted that Jesus was equally offended at modification of a commandment outside the Ten, he'd be I trouble because as a Christian he lives out innumerable modifications such as circumcision. So he will use Mark to show you that Jesus would not have the Ten modified but not the rest.

    How is it a half-truth? It is true Jesus was offended at modification/editing of the Ten Commandment. But it is false that Jesus was offended at just that, he was offended over voiding of any part of the law
    Matthew 5:18 (KJV)
    For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled

    Luke 16:17 (KJV)
    And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
     
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    Another example. Of wrongly dividing scriptures

    The Ten Commandments are commandments of God according to Nehemiah 10:29

    Nehemiah 10:29 (KJV)
    They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

    What part of this verse says the Ten Commandments are commandments of God or the Law of God? Who says Nehemiah had the Ten Commandments in mind?
    This is the height of desperation. Lord have mercy on them

    Mark 7:7-13
    We have tackled that. Both honoring and not cursing parents were 'said' by Moses and are commandments but somebody won't have none of that, only one of those is a commandment the other one presumably Moses'opinion
     
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    Here is another ridiculously lame attempt at spinning Isaiah 66
    Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
    23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
    and from one sabbath to another,
    shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.


    The argument goes like this;
    1.Isaiah 66 may be having eternity in mind here
    2. Isaiah mentions sabbath

    Conclusion
    There will be sabbath in eternity

    But the same verse mentions new moon. New Moon is not a month but a monthly Jewish feast. Let's study it a bit
    Numbers 10:10 (KJV)
    Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the Lord your God.

    More details of what is to be offered are found in Numbers 28:11-15. So New moon is a feast.

    Now let's watch somebody attempt to wriggle out of this; upholding sabbath from Isaiah 6623 while discarding New Moon

    Look at this statement closely.
    The hapless apologist would have you believe that new moon is not a feast but a calendar month but sabbath is not a mere seventh day of the calendar week but sabbath keeping.

    So in the entire scriptures, New Moon means a monthly Jewish feast but in Isaiah, 66:23, it means month. There is a Hebrew word for month and it is not New Moon.

    Am not surprised. Peter by inspiration of Holy Spirit aptly describes them
    2 Peter 3:16 (KJV)
    As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    They;
    1. are UNLEARNED
    2. are UNSTABLE
    3. WREST scriptures to their destruction
     
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    Isaiah 56:6-7 (KJV)
    6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord,
    to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord,
    to be his servants,
    every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it,
    and taketh hold of my covenant;
    7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain,
    and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
    their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;


    For the benefit of those joining us allow me to quickly take you through this verse.

    Some have vigorously maintained that this is proof of God enjoining Gentiles to keep sabbath and sabbath is to be kept in eternity.

    I have wisely pointed to them that the same verse talks of Gentiles offering bunt sacrifices and offerings yet nobody in their right mind imagines burnt offerings and sacrifices in eternity.

    The first apologist argued that the verse could be having some moral and ceremonial obligations and we should pick the moral and drop the ceremonial. The problem is If God is talking about eternity, BOTH 'moral' and 'ceremonial' obligations are equally relevant. So it's clear we have not eternity in perspective.

    The second apologist is more daring. He insists the sacrifices and the sabbath are both eternal but the sacrifices are 'spiritual' and not burnt offerings as such. You can read about his fickle apology right here;
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2224730&postcount=1
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2224731&postcount=2

    I admit they may be spiritual sacrifices. But I ask, why can't the sabbath keeping in question be spiritual as well?:tonofbricks:

    Hebrews 4 is quite clear on sabbath rest. Over and above being a memorial for creation, it points forward to our rest in Christ. That's why Colossians 2:16 says it's reality is in Christ.
    Hebrews 4:4-5 (KJV)
    For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

    Hebrews 4:8-11
    (KJV) For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief


    Of course being a Sabbatarian, he would NEVER attempt to spiritualize sabbath because that's his identity. It's like stopping a first century Jew from keeping Passover since Christ is our Passover. Little wonder Jewishness pervaded the first century church
     
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    Apologists need basic bible literacy skills else they be embarrassment to their sects

    Exodus 34:1 (KJV)
    And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest

    Deuteronomy 10:1 (ESV)
    At that time the Lord said to me, Cut for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to me on the mountain



    We see God commanding Moses to make two stone tablets just like the first. But somebody would have you believe that the stone table came from a rock in heaven. It is important to note that the first set was destroyed by Moses in anger. And God quickly moved on, the first pair lay in ruins. Whatever was kept in the ark was the second pair which was prepared by Moses. Since God asked him to prepare them before he met him, it is well unlikely that God gave him the rocks before. And secondly, seeing he was to prepare them just like the first suggests he used the same piece of rock, readily available from the mountain bottom. :tonofbricks:

    Ellen White ADDED to scriptures, intruding into things unseen, vainly puffed up by her fleshly mind.
    Colossians 2:18 (KJV)
    Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind


    Leaving EGW aside, let's also observe blatant misquoting.

    Psalms 89:34 (KJV)
    34 My covenant will I not break,
    nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.


    This is presented as evidence of perpetuity of the Sinai covenant. Is it? Whether it is perpetual or not, Psalms is not. Talking about it. And besides, circumcision was part of the Sinai covenant as well and nobody circumcises now

    Psalms 89:34-38 (KJV)
    34 My covenant will I not break,
    nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
    35 Once have I sworn by my holiness
    that I will not lie unto David.
    36 His seed shall endure for ever,
    and his throne as the sun before me.
    37 It shall be established for ever as the moon,

    and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.


    The covenant in question here is the promise God made to David to have a king after him who is Christ and whose reign is eternal.

    And finally, another falsehood
    Exodus 20:21-26 (ESV)
    22 And the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the people of Israel: ‘You have seen for yourselves that I have talked with you from heaven. 23 You shall not make gods of silver to be with me, nor shall you make for yourselves gods of gold. 24 An altar of earth you shall make for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen. In every place where I cause my name to be remembered I will come to you and bless you. 25 If you make me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stones, for if you wield your tool on it you profane it. 26 And you shall not go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness be not exposed on it.’


    Here is God speaking from heaven, speaking 'ceremonial laws' and not the Ten Commandments. Note He spoke to Moses not everyone. Why so?
    Exodus 20:18 (ESV)
    18 Now when all the people saw the thunder and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking, the people were afraid and trembled, and they stood far off


    And this is right after the Ten Commandments
     
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    This one makes little sense
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2224738&postcount=7

    But by God's eternal grace I will attempt a response
    How do you jump from earth to New Earth?
    Believers in the new earth have ETERNAL life already. Honoring your parents then if at all won't earn you a consecutive eternity. Eternal means without end. How much more will honoring your folks earn you!;)



    And you have done zilch to show how practical they are including explaining whether there will be marriage in heaven. Is there a possibility of sinning in eternity? What happens to sinners in eternity? There will be several other judgements beyond Revelation 20's?

    More nonsensical quotations with zero bearing on the subject.

    You are completely confused. Whereas idolatry is represented as adultery in the scriptures,in the Ten Commandments, adultery means exactly that because you already have a commandment against idolatry unless you mean we actually have 9 commandments with one mentioned twice, once as adultery and the other instance as idolatry.

    Time stolen and taken where?
    You need to start thinking. There will be no sin nor possibility of sinning in heaven.

    And there will be other judgements in heaven to punish sinners in eternity?

    Nonsense.
    Jesus' mediation is not eternal, he only mediates TILL eternity. He stands in the chasm between fallen man and God. Once we are reconciled back to God in eternity, his role ceases.
    The pot of manna was a memorial, not to be eaten my brother. If the eternal word is locked up in a chest called the ark, then what do you have?

    And how comes you can spiritualize everything away except the tablets? You dread seeing the reality of sabbath. You are content with shadows, ignoring the reality that is Christ

    You need to get serious.
    What EXISTS outside New Jerusalem?
    Your idea of New Jerusalem is a giant golden space ship?:laugh:

    There is no temple because God is the temple not because the temple is some place outside.

    Ezekiel's temple was a conditional promise and Israel never kept their part of the bargain. It will never be built. And in any case, it was full of animal sacrifices which should tell you it was pre-Calvary :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    More example of wrongly dividing the word.

    At least this one admits Isaiah 56 is OT and not eternal focussed. Animal sacrifices from the same were equally made for Gentiles:smilewinkgrin:
    but of course, it was not made for animals
    Shadow boxing with 'pro-Sunday groups' is a terminal illness
     
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    What apologists thrive at, muddying the subject with mindless and endless quotations while judiciously avoiding the question(s)


    The question is quite simple. In Isaiah 66:23, is the NEW MOON the monthly Jewish feast?

    Supposing it means month and not the monthly feast. It means the month is a just a reference point highlighting CONTINUITY of worship, just as the sabbath. In other words, sabbath is ONLY as special as the month as reference points

    1 Samuel 1:7 (KJV)
    And as he did so year by year, when she went up to the house of the Lord, so she provoked her; therefore she wept, and did not eat.

    Here ,'year' is the reference point for Hannah's visits.

    So if it means the monthly Jewish feast, the apologists are damned because they can't explain New Moon in eternity and if it means monthly, they are equally damned because sabbath is a mere reference point just as the month.


    As a bonus, let's look at why new moon means the Monthly jewish feast. Context. Wherever BOTH sabbath and new moon are mentioned together, it is the monthly feast that is ALWAYS meant.

    Amos 8:5 (KJV)
    5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn?
    and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat,
    making the ephah small, and the shekel great,
    and falsifying the balances by deceit?

    2 Kings 4:23 (KJV)
    And he said, Wherefore wilt thou go to him to day? it is neither new moon, nor sabbath. And she said, It shall be well

    Isaiah 1:13 (KJV)
    13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me;
    the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with;
    it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

    Isaiah 45:17 (KJV)
    And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel

    2 Chronicles 2:4 (KJV)
    And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel

    Nehemiah 10:33 (KJV)
    For the shewbread, and for the continual meat offering, and for the continual burnt offering, of the sabbaths, of the new moons, for the set feasts, and for the holy things, and for the sin offerings to make an atonement for Israel, and for all the work of the house of our God

    Hosea 2:11 (KJV)
    11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease,
    her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.


    2 Peter 3:16 aptly describes them;
    1. UNSTABLE
    2. UNLEARNED
    3. they WREST scriptures to their damnation
     
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    They are so skilled at mutilating scriptures, you'd think that's a spiritual gift

    Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
    23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
    and from one sabbath to another,

    shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.


    Look at this one again;
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2225311&postcount=11

    He burns so much energy 'proving' that new moon in this verse is 'month' and not a Jewish feast.

    What if he spent a fraction of the same realizing that sabbath might as well be a 'week' and not sabbath day? God would then be telling us that, 'from month to month and from week to week, all shall come and worship'
     
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    It is good to bear in mind these are UNSTABLE, UNLEARNED and they WREST scriptures to their perdition just as Peter described them.

    Sabbath is as spiritual as Passover. Here's why;

    1. Passover and sabbath are ceremonies; they both commemorate past events.
    2. Passover and sabbath are both backward and forward looking; they look back to deliverance from Egypt and God's rest from creation respectively, and thy look forward to Christ sacrifice and Christ salvation respectively

    Conclusion
    Passover and sabbath are SHADOWS,their REALITY is in Christ- Colossians 2:17

    Lord have mercy on these Pharaisical shadow chasers who esteem days above others and judge those who don't contrary to Romans 14:4-6

    Selah!
     
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    Bear in mind they are
    1. UNLEARNED
    2. UNSTABLE
    3. WREST scriptures to their damnation

    The frequency of sabbath in NT is no substitute for a sabbath command. NT is set almost entirely in regions UNDER Moses so sabbath keeping is natural. Note, it is not the only feast mentioned. We have Passover, Pentecost as well. Only the unthinking would keep Passover merely because it is MENTIONED. But our apologists don't . They are hypocrites
     
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    We continue demolishing the UNSTABLE and UNLEARNED with the Word of God
    So REST=OBEYING COMMANDMENTS
    Hebrews 3:18-19 (KJV)
    And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


    Did God refuse Israel from keeping his commandments because he swore they would not enter into his Rest?
     
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    The UNSTABLE and the UNLEARNED.

    The fickle apologist imagines to be following Jesus in keeping sabbath but He quickly slithers in the opposite direction when it comes to Weeks, Tabernacle, Pentecost and Passover

    Christ is my REST, He is my sabbath.:tonofbricks:

    So why don't you keep the rest of the Jewish feasts? Why stop at sabbath? I rebuke ignorance from your life in Jesus name!

    Why won't I keep Passover, Weeks,Tabernacles ,sabbath and all the works?
    It is because all they are COMMANDMENTS of God pure and perfect, just not for me. Circumcision is a great commandment just not for me.
    You can either make up (like BobRyan is wont to remind us) commandments and substitute God's commandment, or you can relentlessly pursue shadows missing Christ who is the reality.

    Apologists are professional shadow hunters. They don't know Christ, they have no assurance of salvation, they are always in fear of losing salvation they never have, they are always trying to impress God with their works. Their sins are not forgiven, and if they are, they risk being 'unforgiven'. They are miserable animals
     
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    The UNSTABLE and the UNLEARNED are at it again


    Hebrews 3:10-19 English Standard Version (ESV)

    10 Therefore I was provoked with that generation,
    and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart;
    they have not known my ways.’
    11 As I swore in my wrath,
    ‘They shall not enter my rest.’”
    12 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. 13 But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end. 15 As it is said,

    “Today, if you hear his voice,
    do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
    16 For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses? 17 And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.


    Can any thinking primate insist that God swore Israel would not keep sabbath?

    Canaan is a type of God's REST and that's why those who disobeyed fell in the wilderness. As we will see in Chapter 4, even those who made it to Canaan did not enter into God's true REST as evidenced by a second call TODAY many years after Canaan.
     
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    Hebrews 4:1-11 English Standard Version (ESV)

    4 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2 For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.[a] 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

    “As I swore in my wrath,
    They shall not enter my rest,’”
    although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5 And again in this passage he said,

    “They shall not enter my rest.”
    6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

    “Today, if you hear his voice,
    do not harden your hearts.”
    8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God Would not have spoken of another day later on. 9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10 for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

    11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.


    REST is not the weekly sabbath because;
    1. The REST is a PROMISE, not a commandment

    2. God Swore the disobedient would NEVER enter into the REST

    3. The REST is a state hence the 'entering' for which Canaan is a shadow

    4. 'If Joshua had given'.....sabbath existed long before Joshua, why would there be a possibility of Joshua GIVING it?

    5. Remember Joshua gave the then obedient something just that it was not REST. We know they must have been sabbath keepers as they got into Canaan seeing they were obedient yet they never entered REST. So whatever REST Joshua could not give them was not the weekly sabbath.

    5. There is a tone of PERMANENCE. You don't keep on entering into rest, you enter ONCE, 'cease from your works'. A sabbath keeper is not resting.

    6. There remains a sabbath Rest (sabbatismos) BECAUSE Joshua had not given them REST (katapausis) as evidenced by the fact that long after Joshua, we are still being told 'today....'. So the promise of entering his REST(katapausis) remains-v1. In short, katapausis=sabbatismos

    Selah!
     
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