Ye Shall Know them by their Fruits- A look at Anti-Calvinism

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  1. whetstone

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    This post cannot be labelled 'inflammatory.' It's only a listing of quotations that can be found elsewhere in this forum. I am merely compiling them here for you (with the names anonymized). I'm not offering my opinion. The words speak for themselves.


    Hate for Calvinism:

    Hate for Calvinists:

    To this day, men cannot bear that doctrine. Free will suits them very well, but free grace does not. They would not let Christ choose his own wife; I say it with the utmost reverence. -Charles Spurgeon

    God bless.

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  2. Helen

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    I assume the letters after each are the initials of the person posting? My initials are HS and I did not say those things. So, if you would, please reference those quotes with who said them and where. Thank you.
     
  3. whetstone

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    I already told you I'm keeping the names anonymous. If you are desperate to find who said what you are fully capable of doing a search.

    HS is not referring to you.

    If you had said any of these things would you be ashamed Helen? God bless.

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    Thank you for saying I was not the author of those words. I appreciate the clarification. However, when I quote people, I will say who I am quoting. That is considered referencing and I guess I have spent too much time in literature and science to be willing to give any credence to anyone who does not reference their quotes.
     
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    This forum is not literature or research worthy material. It's just an open way to communicate with people. That said, if any of the authors of these quotes (I think you know who you are) want to step forward and claim your quotes, I will be willing to edit my post and put your name in place of the abbreviations). BB doesn't let me edit my posts for very long tho, so this will have to be done within the day I think. God bless.

    Daniel Allen
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    The quotes with MO are Mark Osgatharp - that's me. I said them and am not one bit ashamed of them.

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    Daniel,

    You left out one of my favorites:
     
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    I on the other hand - am one who does not mind quoting the Calvinists on this board to make the Matt 7 point --


    Helen, you are a liar. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]</font>[/QUOTE]
    Just a small "sampling' so far.
     
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    Hey Bob,

    Do you not see the difference in the quotes Daniel posted and the quotes you posted?
     
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    Wow, Whetstone, those are some remarks!! I think it shows the weakness of a person's position when he starts railing at his opponent. The Scribes & Pharisees did the same in Mark 3:22 John 8:48. There is the Lord's solemn answer Mark 3: 28, 29.
    IMHO the hatefulness - that's certainly the thing that spoils this board. :(
     
  11. whetstone

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    Haha... I think the comments brought forth by Bob coming from the Calvinism side are hardly worth comparing to what has come from the other side. That's ok- I open the challenge to anyone. Please scour the boards and see if you can come up with an equally volitile list of quotes from the Calvinst side. Most of it is very tame- comments in frustration or mild accusations. Certainly nothing of the calibur of the OP.
     
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    </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah I remember that one too. Very funny! [​IMG]
     
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    I left for work and wasn't able to get back quick enough to edit my post. I think everyone that reads it will read subseqent posts however. Thanks.

    Dan
     
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    I am simply pointing out that the "Fruit is seen" in the posts I repeated here - it is obvious and it is not even the most extreme cases available from the CAlvinist posts so far.

    I do that to point out that nothing in this comparison is "all Arminian" or "All Calvinist".

    In other words -- the obvious.

    In Christ,

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    Hey Dan -- as one of your friends posted --

    just admit you don't know squat about the bible, salvation, Christ, God, and the gospel and save yourself a lot of grief

    And as you responded in defense of "that kind of fruit" defending it as "very tame- comments in frustration or mild accusations" -- as if you engage in that fruit model yourself.

    I have to agree with you that this small sampling does not even start to get to some of the wilder "fruits" available from the Calvinist camp so far.

    I was just trying to point out the obvious with a tiny sample.

    In Christ,

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    I'm not defending any of the comments you brought up. They were abrasive and in the case you mentioned- quite overt. I should speak in a general sense really. By and large, the attitude the Calvinists have on this board is a lot less abusive than the other side.

    I will say this Bob- for our disagreements, you have been fairly cordial to me and others so my beef isn't with you. God bless.

    Dan
     
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    whetstone,

    You used two words in bold print. Hate Calvinism.

    I think for people like Mark Osgatharp and me what it that intelligent men have bought into this fraudulent belief system. So of you men are pastoring churches and are spreading these distortions. We love your souls, the real you, and want you all to give prayerful thought to those who know more and have studied longer than the age of some of your parents.

    John Calvin will be judged for his teaching and for his activity in Geneva without the input of people like us. We do not hate Calvin but his distortions that he claimed came from the words of Jesus our Lord.

    Keep ever in mind that all of the professors that represented our various denominations were not trying, at all points, to interpret Divine truths, but were preparing men for the pulpits with a preset of denominational doctrines. In other word, make the Bible fit the doctrine, no matter what.

    Sometime in your life you have to realize that the denomination is nothing in the eyes of the Lord. He is interested in saints and sinners and not the four walls of various buildings of various denominations. 'Study to show YOURSELVES approved unto God' and not for the blessing and approval of your particular denomination.

    When you see and understand the truth it will stand out in golden print, in a color that befits the regal Lord who we love and serve.
     
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    Hence I don't like to post in this forum very often. Its not fun being called a child of the devil, blasphemer, and supporter of the devils doctrine as I have been called.

    But then again, it really doesn't matter what people think of me, I will follow the truth of Scripture anyway, and if they want to be wrong, they can be wrong.
     
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    Condesending comments that question the intellegence of those who disagree with you.... Good shot Ray.....
     
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    They are also true. The man is a theological neophyte.
     

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