"yea, hath God said?"

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  1. robycop3

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    A frequent KJVO chant, when confronted with evidence against their myth is, "Yea, hath God said...?" Let's answer that question here and now.

    Here's the context of their quote:

    Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
    2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
    3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
    4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

    You see, the serpent wasn't actually questioning what God had said; he was questioning, and denying, its VERACITY.

    So when the KJVO chants this part of a Scriptural passage as another of the KJVO mantras,the answer is. "Nay, He hath NOT said what thou claimest He hath said. 'Tis nothing more than the clamoring of man."
     
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    &lt;snipped&gt;; I'm going to bed...nitey-nite! :rolleyes:

    [ September 14, 2004, 12:38 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]
     
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    That is no worse than those who
    mantra is "God is not the Author of Confusion"
    but who apparently are confused a lot
    about what "confusion" means in
    that scripture (BTW, the two "confusion"s
    in the last sentence are two different
    meanings of "confusion".)
     
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    That's odd; I've never heard anyone respond as you imply that they respond "frequently." Do you have some examples of that here on the BB?
     
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    Oh oh, Granny Gumbo, did you post something that was full of vitrol? I seldom see you getting "snipped". Were you having a bad night sister? ;) We love you anyway, and that's a fact. [​IMG] [​IMG]

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    Only things I post may be full of Geritol. [​IMG] Da granny NEVER has a bad night, or day, for that matter. Roby quoted "yea hath God said", and I quoted , "get thee behind me satan". Got snipped. Go figure. :rolleyes:
     
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    LOL...you booger! ;) You weren't calling roby "satan" were you? I hope not. I would be very disappointed if you had. :( I know about those "Geritol Moments"! ;)

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    That's odd; I've never heard anyone respond as you imply that they respond "frequently." Do you have some examples of that here on the BB? </font>[/QUOTE]A search on "Yea hath God said"
    shows up in 11 topics in this Forum this year.

    "Frequent" may be overstating the case,
    but it does happen.
     
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    Well, of course I wasn't calling Roby satan and I would hope folks know me better than that. Roby's saved and therefore he is my brother, as you are. Many times when folks talk about satan, I quote those words...always have, always will. [​IMG]
     
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    Granny,

    Do you think the fact that you were edited the first time means it would be inappropriate to write it a second time???
     
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    I don't quite undestand the question or post here roby. Noramlly you are very well spoken and clear in your post's, by I just don't get this one. Can someone paraphrase the point for me?
     
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    The point is this: KJVOs use Gen 3 as an analogy for modern versions. They say that Satan questioned God's word like modern critics do. Roby's point is that Satan didn't question God's word at all. He flat out denied the truth of God's word. He admitted what God said. He said God was wrong.
     
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    Pastor Bob:That's odd; I've never heard anyone respond as you imply that they respond "frequently." Do you have some examples of that here on the BB?

    I discuss Scripture and false doctrines on several boards, PB, and I see it quite frequently on ruckmanite boards especially...and as for THIS one, I entered the words "yea hath god said" into the "search" feature & came up with a number of "hits" in this theme alone. I won't bore us with the details, as anyone interested can do the very same thing I did.

    This board is better-moderated than some of them, and tends to have a better "class" of respondants, with a lot less Ruckythink. However, we still have a distinct lack of evidence from the KJVOs supporting their doctrine.
     
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    More to the point, it is the KJV-onlyists who do more yea-hath-God-saiding than anyone else, since their entire pseudo-theology is based around casting doubt on the word of God in contemporary English.

    By contrast, no one is doubting the authority of the KJV.
     
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    mjwegs42:I don't quite undestand the question or post here roby. Noramlly you are very well spoken and clear in your post's, by I just don't get this one. Can someone paraphrase the point for me?

    Pastor Larry summed it up quite well, but lemme add that some KJVOs quote this phrase of Scripture out of context in a poor attempt to imply that God did NOT say something as written in some BV they don't like, or to imply that some non-KJVOs are the "scoffers" mentioned in 2 Peter 3:3.
     
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    True Ransom. And how sad it is that those who do use the MV's such as yourself are constantly "whooped up upon" by the KJVO's. Even those who use the KJV by preference, but sill use other versions have been libeled by some being questioned on their intelligence, their salvation and their service to God. It's so sad to see. :(

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    Actually Satan made Eve doubt God's word by saying Yeah, hath God said? ye shall NOT EAT of every tree. Satan changed the word of God, and deleted from it - freely. This made her reason about it and ADDED to the word of God - neither shall ye touch it- and deleted also from it - freely - and Satan added to God's word again, denying the truth - Ye shall not surely die. Eve was tricked into Satan's lie, because she added to/deleted from and reasoned with God's words/command, because Satan not only questioned God, but changed and deleted from it in his question. Eve did not say exactly what God had commanded, Satan saw it and used it to decieve her. We can see this because she also does not mention the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but she said "the tree in the midst of the garden" - altering of God's word (paraphrase?). Satan then used this to say that God Knew that if they ate of it, they would be as gods, knowing good and evil. This tempted her flesh, and she reasoned it, ultimately doubting God's truth and disobeying his command. She believed Satan's words, over God's words. She apparently did not know God's words well enouph, to escape this tempation/deception.

    Genesis 2

    16. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
    17. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die
    .

    Genesis 3

    1. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
    2. And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
    3. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
    4. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
    5. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
    6. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
    7. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.


    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
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    Excellent point, Michelle! [​IMG]

    MVs defenders, can't you see her comment here? How did the Satan deal deceitfully God's Word against Eve during tempting her. Likewise modern versions are produced by Christians who followed the naturalistic method and unbelievers.
     

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