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"yea, hath God said?"

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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    It must be something that you and I don't understand Natters.
     
    #41 NaasPreacher (C4K), Sep 15, 2004
  2. AVL1984

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    I don't understand what she's getting at either. She needs to be a bit more clear on her intent.

    AVL1984
     
    #42 AVL1984, Sep 15, 2004
  3. HankD

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    Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

    That's for starters

    HankD
     
    #43 HankD, Sep 15, 2004
  4. Askjo

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    When the Satan tempted Eve, he told her the false Word of God. What happened to Eve? She told him the false Word of God.

    Eve ate a forbidden fruit and gave it to her husband Adam. He ate it. That is how Eve destroyed Adam's testimony. He went in her wrong side. That is why we are sinners. Likewise 2 TODAY sides.

    The Satan and Eve messed up with the TRUE Word of God. However Adam did not mess up with the Word of God. The first side is that Adam defended the Word of God. The second side is that Eve defended the false Word of God through the Satan. Likewise 2 TODAY sides: the TRUE Word of God (KJV, TR, GBS, and accurate foreign Bibles) and the &lt;attack on the Bible deleted&gt;

    [ September 16, 2004, 12:46 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]
     
    #44 Askjo, Sep 16, 2004
  5. natters

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    Amazing exegesis, Askjo. You should write a book. [​IMG] One small problem though: you said "He went in her wrong side." Actually, she came from a rib from his side. Never mind, lame joke. Late. Sleep now.
     
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  6. Bro Tony

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    Incredible, I honestly think now I have heard it all. Askjo you are really something, now I know that I really don't have to take anything you say seriously.

    Bro Tony
     
    #46 Bro Tony, Sep 16, 2004
  7. AVL1984

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    Bro Tony, his exigesis was one of the most twisted around things I've ever heard, and that is sad! :(
    I have to say I won't be taking anything he says seriously now either. :rolleyes:

    AVL1984
     
    #47 AVL1984, Sep 16, 2004
  8. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    This is amazing - Eve was the first MV user?

    Is that, in essence, what is being proposed here?
     
    #48 NaasPreacher (C4K), Sep 16, 2004
  9. AVL1984

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    Sounds like what someone is trying to imply...she was the originator of the first MV...LOL ;)

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    #49 AVL1984, Sep 16, 2004
  10. robycop3

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    Just when I had hope for Askjo for taking a step forward, he now takes two steps backward with his EISEGESIS.
     
    #50 robycop3, Sep 16, 2004
  11. robycop3

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    Michelle:Like I said above, our words, are NOT THE SAME as God's words.

    Wrong. God used the same words He caused His people to use; otherwise, how could we understand Him or present His words to the lost?


    Satan didn't sum up anything.

    Yes, he DID.


    He put God's truth in a question form, and twisted God's word of truth while taking away from it.

    The message of God's command was that A&E were forbidden to eat the fruit of a certain tree. Satan simply presented a reason for God's command while telling some lies...that A&E WOULDN'T die if they ate it, and that God had told them not to eat because He didn't want A&E to become wise as Him.


    They were God's words, in question form, but added to it, to change the meaning, while taking away from it also.

    We do NOT know what God had said to EVE. She said that God had said to not even touch the forbidden fruit, and we have NO REASON to believe God DIDN'T say it. We cannot play "He said...She said" with God's words. We have what God said to Adam, and what Eve said God told her. Anything else is guesswork.
     
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  12. robycop3

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    Michelle:You didn't explain "HOW he did this. Why do you not explain HOW Satan implied and lead Eve to believe a wrong understanding/interpretation of God's words?

    Simple...he told some lies and Eve believed them.
     
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    Askjo:When the Satan tempted Eve, he told her the false Word of God.

    Not really. He summed up the command of God, which was to not eat of the forbidden fruit.


    What happened to Eve? She told him the false Word of God.

    You have absolutely NO BASIS for such a statement. God gave the "don't eat" command to Adam BEFORE he made Eve. We have NO REASON to not believe Eve's version of God's command to HER. And also, God punished them for EATING THE FRUIT...NOT altering His words.

    Eve ate a forbidden fruit and gave it to her husband Adam. He ate it. That is how Eve destroyed Adam's testimony. He went in her wrong side. That is why we are sinners. Likewise 2 TODAY sides.

    All together now...1...2...3...
    "BAH! HUMBUG!"

    The Satan and Eve messed up with the TRUE Word of God.

    Absolutely without foundation.


    However Adam did not mess up with the Word of God. The first side is that Adam defended the Word of God. The second side is that Eve defended the false Word of God through the Satan. Likewise 2 TODAY sides: the TRUE Word of God

    "BAH! HUMBUG!"

    Eve believed Satan over God, and Adam believed Eve over God. Plain and simple. Nothing to do w/God's exact words.
     
    #53 robycop3, Sep 16, 2004
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    The serpent said "Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?".

    This was the first oblique deception. God did not say "Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden"

    But He said " Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat". He excluded only one tree.

    Second deception "Ye shall not surely die".

    Third "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods (elohim) , knowing good and evil"

    They were already as or like Elohim, they were made in His image and likeness.

    He was probably jealous and wanted this "image and likeness" for himself or no one was going to have it.


    HankD
     
    #54 HankD, Sep 16, 2004
  15. Plain ol' Ralph

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    No, satan was, Eve was just duped by it.
     
    #55 Plain ol' Ralph, Sep 16, 2004
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    Excellent point here. If Eve's response to the serpent was a lie, that would have been the first sin. There would have been no greater consequence in eating the fruit because Eve would have already sinned.
     
    #56 Pastor_Bob, Sep 16, 2004
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    No, satan was, Eve was just duped by it. </font>[/QUOTE]Not really, POR, she was the one who in this section of scripture added "neither shall ye touch it".

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    #57 AVL1984, Sep 16, 2004
  18. robycop3

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    Actually, AVL, we just don't know what God said to EVE...all we have in Scripture is what He told ADAM. Therefore, we have no valid reason to not believe HER statement about NOT TOUCHING the fruit, and absolutely NO BASIS to say she added to God's command.
     
    #58 robycop3, Sep 16, 2004
  19. AVL1984

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    I'm only going by what God told Adam in the previous chapter. I would suppose that he was supposed to give her that information also. Could be that Adam actually added....but, it's all just speculation.

    AVL1984
     
    #59 AVL1984, Sep 16, 2004
  20. Johnv

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    To relate to the OP in the topic, the phrase "yea hath God said" is neither scriptural support for single-version-onlyism, nor was not intended to speak to the issue of single-translation-onlyism at all. In order to use the verse as doctrinal support for such, one must add to scripture, something that we Christians are forbidden from doing.
     
    #60 Johnv, Sep 16, 2004
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