I got sick of the "whether abortion is murder" thread. Basic biology would dictate truth. However, there is the thought that Scripture needs to explicitely say this. I agree. I do not think that a position needs to be held to if the inerrant Scripture doesn't declare it to be so. Amos 1:13 - Thus says the Lord: "For three transgressions of the people of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away its punishment, Because they ripped open the WOMEN WITH CHILD in Gilead, That they might enlarge their territory..." We have seen the arguments and heard the rhetoric. What does this passage mean?