YOU ARE IN THE PICTURE!

Well, not "we" Christians here and now. We will be gone in the rapture!

God Bless!

 

#1. I fail to see the connection between Ten Commandment day in America and using cash.

#2. If we imagine that movements to honor God's Law is the source of all evils, then we have the fall of the commands not to worship idols, the Sabbath and the commands against murder etc.

The fact that the commandments can be "used and abused" for the sake of evil - does not make them bad and does not make the movement to honor them bad.

The Bible has been used by evil men in all ages to justify some dark scheme under the guise of God's blessing - that does not make the Bible bad NOR is it a valid argument for banning approval and support of the Bible from public statements.

The "rapture" argument is of course - totally bogus since the world has ALREADY seen tribulation over many CENTURIES killing many MILLIONS of Christians. The rapture would be about 1400 years too late already!

In Christ,

Bob

 

You'll have to take that up with Jesus...

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

How do you comfort others with these words Bob?

God Bless!

 

Paul says nothing in 1Thess 4 about "no tribulation will come to you before the rapture" - you are pointing to "no detail" in the text when you try to argue that the rapture argument in 1Thess 4 was intended to give the comfort that the saints would not experience the gross harsh tribulation of unjust laws condemning the saints to death. (The OP is pointing to just such a scenario and you argue that the rapture is a promise that you will not go through that time).

1Thess 4 is about the very REAL fact that in EVERY AGE the saints DIE!

It is no promise that before any can die they will be raptured!!

It is a promise that AT THE RAPTURE the saints will be REUNITED!!

That totally devastates the argument about RAPTURE sparing saints from death sentences and tribulation in this life!!

It also totally devastates the argument about saints be united with the dead BEFORE the 2nd coming and rapture of the church!!

How can you possibly miss the basics of the text??

BTW - it is only 9:30 AM on Saturday my time - so I think I will outlast you on this thread for now.

In Christ,

Bob

 

You got that right! It is 11:15pm here in Pa and i have been telling myself I need to get to bed for the past hour!

The rapture is a mystery brother. You can figure it out if you search the scriptures.

1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

God Bless!

 

It says "I show you a mystery" it is revealed. We see in 1Cor 15 that when the last enemy "death" is vanquished it will be at the resurrection.

In 1Thess 4 we see that the resurrection of the saints happens at the coming of Christ and that the "comfort" is not given in regard to some future tribulation 1000's of years from then - but in the very real problem of saints who had died in the days of Paul and in every age since.

It is all - direct, simple - obvious and clearly stated in the text.

Let's leave the simple things - simple!

Have a good rest brother.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Well, not "we" Christians here and now. We will be gone in the rapture!

God Bless! </font>[/QUOTE]Well I donno we might have to go through some tribulation? I tried to write a check 2 times today once for lunch and once for dinner and the resturaunts wouldn't take em'! TG the people at the ministry siminar(sp? too exhausted to spell it right) will take checks or I wouldn't have my study book.

 

The OP was about the 10 Commandments. And celebrating them is fine, but of course there is a glitch in that, because everyone thinks the 4th one can be sunday, but in reality it is the Sabbath (Saturday).

To have May 7 as 10 Commanments Day is fine, but let's make sure we underatand them all. Nine of them are undisputed.

But the 4th has been changed, even though God said, "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy".

If we can't do that one thing, then what's the point.


Selah,

Tam

 

I don't believe it was ever changed. Saturday is the seventh day of the week which is Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week which we Christians call The Lord's Day.

God Bless!

 

I don't believe it was ever changed. Saturday is the seventh day of the week which is Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week which we Christians call The Lord's Day.

God Bless! </font>[/QUOTE]Catholics do alot of things because of tradition. God expects us to do what the Bible says not man-made tradition.

Mk:7:9: And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mk:7:13: Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

As do every gathering body of Christians throughout this world. It is when traditions are taught as God's Word that the trouble begins.

Like the tradition Ellen White began with the SDA's not eating pork. It's fine to abstain from pork if you like, but when this tradition is taught as God's Word for Christians, then it becomes false teaching.

I know baptist who preach women should not wear pants. Now the scripture never states such, but they like that tradition and they get a bit zealous and many times cross the line telling women it is a sin to wear those pants. No different than telling Christians it is a sin to eat pork. Both are untrue.

God Bless!