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  1. massdak

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    that some militant terrorist treat their prisoners better then some of our US service personnel do theirs.
    sin has no bounds.
     
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    I would say a great minority of militant terrorists treat anyone well - the vast majority being as ruthless and nasty as they can possibly be. And when you say "some of our US personnel," I hope you mean some very, very few - a tiny minority.

    It is sad however, that the actions of so few can have such great damage to our entire effort.
     
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    i saw the whole unedited version of the beheading of the american.
    and i can understand how torture no matter who does it is so disgusting. but you are right they do most of the torture and they must know how weak american resolve is.
    the liberals have ruined this country
     
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    Torture and humiliation are NOT American values.
    Writing sentences is an American value.

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    You're right, massdak, the liberals have ruined this country. And no matter what, no matter how many American lives are endangered, we must be politically correct at all costs to our own peril. [​IMG]
     
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    and you may be a good giver of humiliation, my sentence structure is my own non intentional fault.
    american values ?

    Rom 3:9 What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
     
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    if u liberals don't like my drivin' :eek:
    u get the heck off your front porch :eek:

    Luke 6:37 (nKJV):
    Judge not, and you shall not be judged.
    Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned.
    Forgive, and you will be forgiven.


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    Actually, that is NOT true. I heard on the news tonight that a small band of terrorists BEHEADED an American civilian and TAPED THE WHOLE THING. Also on CNN the other night some British soldiers told how they were captured and TORTURED by their terrorist captors.

    So both the the Alquadi terrorists and a small group of American compound guards are equally guilty of abuse. Also what the media doesn't tell you is that certain prisoners must be beaten and tortured to extract information, so to gain military intelligence information, that would SAVE AMERICAN GI lives.That is the way of war. But I feel it was taken to extreme by sadistic guards and they should be punished for their inhuman treatment.
     
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    What is the referrant for "that"?

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    Probably the OP. :confused:
     
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    It must have just been pure heck for that guy to have had a pair of women's panties put over his head. This picture was sooooo disturbing. Oh, the pain, the pain. :rolleyes:
     
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    It disturbs me that the only people who follow the Geneva Convention rules are our allies.

    If no one else keeps the 'rules', why should we. It just further proves their belief that we are weak. If we had resolve and acted strongly in stamping out terrorism and enemies of the US (Castro/Hussein, etc) many years ago, we would not be in this mess as deep as we are now.

    Side note: why are we still listening to the UN, that is part of our problem, IMO.
     
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    It is a disturbing trend on the BB that this "other people do it, so why why shouldn't we?" is given so much currency.
     
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    Well, I don't normally hold this policy on anything, and I thought twice about posting it. My point is that it is not much good holding onto an agreement not to do certain things that are a part of war when no one else is holding onto those same things. It is no longer an "agreement" when you're the only one left.

    I don't think we should resort to inhumane practices...but we should all be on an equal playing field. It seems that the US is fighting a "no holds barred" opponent, with both hands tied behind its back.

    We shouldn't do everything that the terrorists are doing...but we shouldn't be hindered by all the rules we are hindered by.
     
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    For example...we have to wait until the enemy shoots first before firing back.

    When the enemy brings in suicide bombers and kids with grenades....it isn't the most feasible policy.

    The rules of the Geneva Convention only work when everyone keeps them......now, we are the only ones who do. It results in higher US casualties and frustrated GIs. But it doesn't make us any more moral than the enemy.
     
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    It is a disturbing trend on the BB that this "other people do it, so why why shouldn't we?" is given so much currency. </font>[/QUOTE]I don't normally give this "currency". But we are talking about rules that need to change. Not to embrace terrorism, but to loosen our hands to fight wars how they are fought in modern warfare.

    I assume your quote is in reference to political/warfare matters?
     
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    Why should they change? If you're no better than the terrorists, what is the point?

    Besides, we have soldiers who have apparently violated the Geneva Conventions ... and I don't think we're proud of that.

    OTOH, maybe we are.
     
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    Torture is the poorest data collection technique possible.
    Humiliation is the poorest public relation ehnancement technique possible.
    Torture and humiliation are NOT American values.
    Torture and humiliation are NOT family values.
    Torture and humiliation are NOT Christian values.
    Torture and humiliationa re NOT Baptist values.

    Mean people still suck :(
     
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    Pigs.

    No need to torture and humiliate. Just threaten to smear them with cold bacon grease and have guard pigs guarding them. If they think they will die contaminated by bacon grease, they will not go to paradise and have 72 black eyed virgins waiting for them. They will blab all they know.

    We could take a few clues from the Israelis.
    BBC

    BBC

    The politically correct Bush adminstration would never go for this idea, though.
     

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