You may be teaching Justification by the Law !

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    Gal 2:16

    16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

    Listen, if not careful, we will find ourselves at last to be teaching and believing Justification by the works of the Law, which is contrary to scripture, even our present text !

    Now if we dont properly understand the True Spiritual Nature of being Justified by Faith [Rom 5:1] opposed to being Justified by the works or work of the Law, we are most certain to have false understanding and notion of Justification before God !

    Now pay attention, to be Justified by Faith without it being an attempt to be a work of the Law, to be Justified before God, because in and of itself Faith is a work, a deed of the Law Matt 23:23

    23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    Pay attention still, Its only when we understand that forst and foremost and initially, Justification by Faith is solely by the Faith or Faithfulness of Jesus Christ [His Obedience unto death] by His Faithfulness to obey the Law for us, that is on our behalf, The Elect of God or His Body the Church; and this is what Paul means in our text Gal 2:16a

    16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law[our own faith], but by the faith/faithfulness/obedience of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

    Take heed, the only way to not fall victim to being Justified by the work of the Law [our own faith] is to acknowledge that first and foremost, that if Christ died for us, that fact alone, apart from any act whatsoever of mine own] constituted me Justified from all sin pertaining to Gods Eternal Law and Justice, and with that have been declared Righteous, not guilty, then thats being Justified by the Faith/ Faithfulness/ Obedience of Jesus Christ, apart from any work of the Law by me, including my Faith that ought to be done Matt 23:23 !

    See, when we are given to understand that Christ kept and fulfilled the Law for us, then our Justification before God is seen to be by His Faithfulness and not ours. His Faithfulness did include keeping the Law of Faith which ought to be done by us, or else He could not have been said to fulfill the Law on our behalf Matt 5:17

    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    One of the definitions of the word fulfill as in fulfilling the Law, its the word plēroō:

    iii.to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment

    Meaning Christ's coming, and living and dying, by that all for whom He represented, He obeyed God's Law for them the way it is suppose to be, and failed to do in Adam !

    Listen, When Jesus says Heb 10:7

    7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

    But in the Psalm its added Ps 40:8

    I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

    Christ fulfilled the doing of the whole Law of God in our behalf, so its because of this, we have Been Justified by the Faith of Christ, for He fulfilled the Law.

    If we say no, we fulfilled the law by our act of Faith, and then God made us Righteous, we then say and affirm what the scripture denies Gal 2:16

    16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

    What is your view today ?
     
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    You could have saved a whole lot of electrons and simply quoted Ephesians 2:8-10 - by grace are ye saved through faith ... not of works ... we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works....
     
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    Did you understand the points I made in the Post ? Please review them with me !
     
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    Oh ho ho ho.......you nailed that one brother.:thumbsup:
     
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    I understood them fully. The synopsis of your post is that we are not saved by the workings of the law, which is summarized in Eph 2:8-10. If you don't agree, it is now upon you to explain why what you said isn't what you said, and/or why scripture doesn't sufficiently summarize your post.
     
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    Prove it , Then please explain back to me my points made with scripturte !
     
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    I already did. Your entire post is completely supported by three verses. There's no need to discuss it point-by-point, because all you did was reiterate the same thing several times.

    If Ephesians 2:8-10 does not summarize your position, then it's on you to explain why not. Upon evaluating your explanation, then I will either agree that you're correct, that it didn't summarize your position; or I'll provide an evaluation of why I disagree with you.

    You seem to misunderstand; I haven't said you were wrong. I merely said you could have made your statement with fewer words.
     
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    Isn't he trying toassert that even requiring a sinner to place faith in jesus to save them is to be seen as a work, so that salvation is really unconditional, period?
     
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    According to Matt 23:23

    23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    Is Faith something of the weightier matters of the LAW that ought to be DONE ? Yes or No ?
     
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    In that particular verse, no. Jesus isn't telling the pharisees that faith is something they should do; He's admonishing them for placing their salvation on their works rather than faith.
     
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    Well? Any response?
     
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    Thats false, He most certainly is telling them that Faith is one of the more weightier matters of the Law that ought to have been done ! Matt 23:23

    23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
     
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    So your point is that this verse teaches us faith is something we actively do?
     
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    You may be teaching Justification by the Law ! 2

    If we are teaching that one is Justified before God because of their faith, their act of believing, something done by them, its no doubt then, they are teaching Justification by the works of the Law, since its plainly intimated by Christ Himself that Faith is one of the more weightier matters of the Law that ought to have been done Matt 23:23

    23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    Now, with that, we look at what Paul wrote to the Galatians here Galatians about circumcision, another matter of the Law that ought to have been done Gal 5:3-4

    3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

    4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

    The only difference here is that nowadays people are seeking to be Justified before God by their act of Faith or believing, which is of the Law Matt 23:23 !

    So Paul tells us that such people are now a debtor to do the whole Law !

    Such thinking is not in agreement with Justification by Grace, and so those who teach it, Justification before God because of ones act of faith or believing or obedience, They are fallen from a profession of Justification by Christ and Grace ! They are in fact promoting a Justification by the Law and are debtor to do the whole Law !
     
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    That is exactly what that verse teaches, Faith is an act of man that he does, its a act of doing the Law ! Do you deny it ?
     
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    I question your interpretation of that particular verse. Faith is NOT an act of doing the Law. I believe you may be ignoring context.

    Consider Romans 4:5. Scripture tells us belief/faith is not a work.
     
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    No, you outright dont believe what the verse says. Matt 23:23

    23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    There is no way around the clear statement of scripture, that Faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law that ought to be done !
     
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    Then you're ignoring scripture (please look at the verse reference I provided, and explain why that verse doesn't mean what it says, or explain how I've misunderstood it).
     
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    I was going to reference Romans 4:5 as well.

    Romans 4:5 is pretty clear that justification by faith is not a work.
     
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    No you question God's Truth. It is crystal clear that Jesus says that Faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law that ought to have been done Matt 23:23

    23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    And Rom 4:5 does not say belief/faith is not a work !
     
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