Your Thoughts on Islam

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  1. Bear

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    I have often asked the question, "Why did we not hear of these people (Muslims) who threaten and want to kill us (so-called infidels) back in the 1950's or 1960's?

    After first seeing what they did to our marines when Jimmy Carter tried to rescue the Iran hostages and dragging their bodies thru the streets and the "goulash" display of hanging them from bridges as Jimmy stated, I had thought to myself then whew, what a bunch!

    Now this day and time we know what kind of barbarians these people can be, video taping someone's head being severed by sword, and announcing their intent to kill all American men, women and children.

    From what I am gathering the thought process has always been there that the Islamic world has always wanted to kill us.

    Why were they not known of before, for instance in the 1950's?

    Some have said the Government knew back then what kind of threat to America these people were and it was kept at high level.

    Men serving overseas in the Armed Forces back in those days have told me they were warned to not go out into those locales alone because of the threat to Americans.

    Some have said with today's media and technology it has been a way for them to express this intent knowing it will get them exposure as in the recent uproar in the Islamic world over the Pope's remarks about their evil leader etc.....

    What say ye? Did we know of this people back then in the 1950's? Has oil made them more brazen and they are now showing their true colors or have this people always maintained this thought pattern to kill innocent men, women and children?
     
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    We have instant news today, back then they didn't.

    I just love how they are trying to prove that Islam is not violent by blowing up things, and rioting! They are showing their true colors.
     
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    No kidding, Tim.

    "Islam is a religion of peace! Kill the pope and all the Christians!"
     
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    IMHO, Islam wasn't a big issue back then because most Muslim countries were just pawns in the Cold War. Our focus was on communism, and it was only when Muslims took direct action against US citizens in '79 did it open the average Americans eyes.
     
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    I believe the formation of the state of Israel in 1947 backed strongly by western imposition by the British Mandate of Palestine was a major initiator of muslim/western conflict which is why this was not a major issue before then. Before the Six Day War in 1967, muslims took out their frustration on Israel. After that embarassing defeat, muslims resentment grew to include the entire western world. That is my interpretation anyway. :)
     
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  6. El_Guero

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    People have been killing people there since before that little guy went through there about 350bc . . . Alexander the Great was just the first of many in the modern era to fight there.

    During the last century, there was the fall of the last caliph and the ottoman empire. The revolt in the 30's, 1947 israel war of independence, the 1950's lebanon & the suez canal crisis . . . and then from the 1960's on you should know the history . . .
     
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    I'm focusing more on muslim conflict with North America.
     
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    Beginning in 1786 the Barbary muslims extorted tribute from the USA in the amount of millions of US dollars . . . By 1804, we were fed up with them and they had captured 300 US Navy Seamen . . .

    Then came Tripoli and the US Marines . . .

    militaryhistory.about.com/od/ustripolitanwar

    April 27-May 13, 1805
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Derna
     
  9. Clean1

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    We need to keep the muslims, terrorists, arabs, etc. in our prayers. It's sad that they are willing to kill themselves and other people just to please their dead god allah and to live in paradise for ever. Satan has his grimy fingers wrapped all over them. I'm sorry to say that they are in for a rude awakening when they wake up in Hell.
    Please remember to pray that God will be able to work in their lives and show them the saving grace of Jesus Christ.
     
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    Praying for a muslim to become a believer is a death sentance . . .

    Witnessing to a muslim is a death sentance . . .

    So, are we praying that they get death by beheading after they are saved?
     
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    It's late, and I'm slow...

    I'm not following you...you're not suggesting we shouldn't pray for them, are you?
     
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    NO . . . I am asking if we know what we are really praying for . . .

    For the Kingdom to move forward, the muslims will kill any and all that become believers . . . They have murdered Christians for something like 1600 years . . .

    :BangHead:

    They will not change now . . . if some repent - the ones that have not repented will kill them. All because they worship the moon god, & they have sacrificed Christians to the moon god for centuries.
     
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    thanks for the clarification.

    I was one of the first Americans to enter into a free Czechoslovakia in late 1989 and early 1990. (it was moving rapidly away from communism...I think they called it the "velvet revolution" or something like that) I remember meeting with several Czech pastors (and a few others) who had been severely persecuted. One said to me, "I wouldn't trade these trials for anything. It has made me and my people very strong in our faith."

    I'll never forget his words...and though they may be persecuted, Christians in muslim countries don't have the luxury of being mediocre in their walk. In one strange way, they're better off.

    I always pray for those Christians and their "target audience" in muslim countries. One of my former students is a "missionary" in a muslim Persian Gulf country. She is a professional, and her trade allows her in--but make no mistake--she's there to share Jesus.
     
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    Islam is no secret

    I am Charles E. Martin. I am writing this email from Kuwait. I currently live in Iraq. I have spent one year in Iraq, and I just re-enlisted for a second year. I have also lived in Saudi Arabia for one year.

    I read a paper written by Mr. Winston Churchill back during WW2, where he described "Wahhabiism" precisely. The Wahhabis are the clan that rules Saudi Arabia. Their interpretation of Islam is the strictest and most militant in the entire Muslim world.

    Since the Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him) founded islam back in the 7th century (of the common era), Islam has been spread by the point of the sword. The Caliphate spread from the Arabian peninsula, and then across North Africa, and even into what is now Modern Spain. Islam spread eastward, across Asia. Today, Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world.

    The government (of the USA) has not suppressed anything about Islam. There are now more Muslims in the USA than there are jews. One-fifth of the population of the world (20%) is Muslim. There is nothing secret about Islam, everything that the faith stands for is broadcast out there for all the world to see. Islam is a missionary religion, and they proseltyze world-wide. There are a number of excellent websites see

    [Baptist links only]

    Charles E. Martin
    Ali Al Saleem, Kuwait
     
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  15. Clean1

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    A death sentence of beheading will seem like nothing to them when they are roasting in Hell. I would rather them suffer the death sentence for making sure they get to heaven than stand by and watch them get thrown into hell on judgement day.
     
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    According to the website whose link you posted:

    "Non-Muslims have the God-given right to believe and practice other religious teachings.
    All human beings should be treated with respect even if we disagree with their beliefs and teachings."

    Pray tell us, does this mean that Christians may now bring in their Bibles openly into such fundamental Muslim countries as Saudi Arabia, Jeddah, and the likes, and not be in fear of their Bibles being confiscated at the very least, or at worst, them being imprisoned ?

    Does this mean that Christians may now meet openly during Sundays, or even Fridays, conduct their services and worship, and fellowship, sing, and pray for and with one another, without fear of being hauled off into prison, at the very least, or at worst, being beheaded ?
     
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    I've only seen this quote written by Muslims, as required by their faith. May I ask why you used it?
     
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    Islam is false and evil.

    David
     
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    I saw this yesterday...

    A Pakistani Teenage Christian Barely Escapes Death at the Hands of Her Own Family!
    [​IMG]Diana's face must remain hidden for her own protection.

    Diana grew up in a strict Islamic family in Pakistan. Her life was pretty typical until she met a girl named Mary who was a Christian. Now Diana is also a Christian and on the run.

    When Diana's family learned that she had become a Christian, they repeatedly beat her and insisted she return to Islam. But Diana refused. She was then forced to a local canal where her uncle put a pistol to her head and gave her one last chance to return to Islam. Diana replied, "You can kill me if you want. I will not leave Christ."

    It was then that Diana's uncle noticed an extremely poisonous black cobra swimming in the canal. Believing he could escape any prosecution for his niece's death, he threw her into the path of the cobra. He also knew she could not swim.

    Diana miraculously escaped from the canal and is in hiding today. She is a new Christian but has already learned what it means to suffer for Christ. She recently told The Voice of the Martyrs, "Jesus was crucified for us. Can we not endure some of the same for Him?"

    It was in an email from the Voice of the Martyrs to me...
     
  20. David Michael Harris

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    It's biblical.
     

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