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Your Thoughts on Islam

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Bear, Sep 20, 2006.

  1. woodyR

    woodyR New Member

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    islam is a religion of "piece!" They want a piece of you over here and a piece of you over there.:laugh:
     
  2. thjplgvp

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    The Muslim religion began in the middle 500’s when Muhammad on a trip to Jerusalem with his uncle came into contact with both Christianity and Judaism. According to Gregory the Great the Catholic Church at this time was “likened unto a ship, rotten and leaky, hourly looking for wreck” [Armitage Vol. 1, pg 232]. It was this institution that had allowed much paganism into it that Muhammad was attracted to. Not a pure church but a rotten, pagan, idolatrous church that was corrupt beyond expression.

    Early history paints a picture of Muhammad as being bright, expressive well mannered and considerate. His concerns over the one God being lost to all seemed to provoke great distress in his heart and mind. When fate brought about his marriage to a wealthy widow he suddenly found himself with ample time in which to dwell on religious thought concerning monotheism. His conclusion was that the both the Jews and the Christians worshipped a plurality of God’s (deity) and set about to deny the plurality of Gods and present the one true god (singular) Allah.

    Since the Arabs were unlearned and much in ignorance concerning unity and religion Muhammad put together the Koran (Quran) as the divine instruction of a monotheistic society which was at the time a compilation of various writings that included superstitions, the Apocrypha, Bible, Pagan traditions and parts of the Talmud Etc.

    Christianity through the Centuries, pg 175 records that Muhammad was the 25th great prophet in the line of prophets and of the same order as Abraham, Moses and Christ though they deny Christ’s deity and his death on the cross.

    Here is the kicker that many do not see and the probable reason for their bloody violence, their Jihad if you will. Muhammad declared that Allah’s “patience was at an end and that every monument to idolatry was to be destroyed by the sword” Armitage vol 1, pg 234

    It was under this command that Palestine, Jerusalem, and the Eastern Roman Church and the North Africa were conquered in the next 150 years. But when their general Abder Rahman sought to conquer the Western Empire he was met by the French army led by Charles Martel (the Hammer) and defeated soundly. None the less the battles with the Arabs continued well into middle ages. I believe that most know this but just in case you don’t the Holy Crusades were an attempt by the pope to retake Jerusalem from the Muslims.

    If I understand correctly any piece of land that has been occupied by a Muslim is considered holy ground and belongs to the Muslim empire including American land. They are obligated to fight to the death to retain and or recapture that land.


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  3. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    good post with lots of information.

    Thanks!

    Wayne
     
  4. Jack Matthews

    Jack Matthews New Member

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    There has been a paradigm shift in the Muslim world during the past 25 years or so that has allowed the more militant, fundamentalist branches of Islam to attract followers at a rapid rate, and has accelerated terrorist activity. It basically centers around the shift in power that occurred when the Soviet Union dissolved. In countries governed by Islamic law, communism was more of an enemy than Western Democracy, because it was atheist in nature. The more secularized states saw the communists in the Soviet Union as a means to play themselves off against the US and the more religiously oriented Islamic states which gladly accepted the protection of the US as well as its money for their oil.

    The first shift took place in Iran, when Islamic fundamentalists finally pushed the government of the Shah out of power and set up a strict Islamic state under religious law. A secular state like Iraq under Saddam Hussein was anathema to the Ayatollah Khomeini. Iraq became the darling Middle Eastern poster child state for Ronald Reagan, particularly when it went to war with Iran. It was also the plug to hold back the Soviets interest once Iran was lost. That's also when US interest in Pakistan began to develop, and we got involved in the war in Afghanistan in a supply and advisory capacity.

    The second shift took place when the Soviet Union collapsed. Suddenly, the Middle East no longer faced a major communist world power to their immediate north. Islamic rule began to replace secular states. Prior to this, Israel was tolerated because it guaranteed a US presence against the Soviets. Now, suddenly, there was a shift. The US became the "great Satan," and Israel, as its chief ally in the Middle East, isolated and surrounded by enemies. The presence of the US is now seen not as a protector but as a parasite, after cheap oil and the protection of its own interests. It is now the new enemy, a decadent, godless, Western Democracy which the more extreme elements of Islam see as an evil influence whose presence in their midst lures their young people away from pure religion into sin. Countries like Qatar, U.A.E., Baharain and Kuwait, are increasingly seen as being corrupted by US money and untrustworthy. Al Qaida is a Saudi based organization that recruits in the hopes of one day taking over the Saudi government which they believe is sold out to American capitalistic interests and bought off with oil money.

    I don't think the shift is quite through. The religious extremists are opening schools and training centers to teach this radical element of Islam to a constituency that grows by leaps and bounds. Where and when it will stop is anyone's guess, but a whole generation of Islamic extremists is being educated as we speak. The crucial moment will come when that element of Islam gets control of a major military and nuclear power, either by developing it in Iran or taking over Pakistan. At that point, things will get as tense as they once were in the cold war.
     
  5. David Michael Harris

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    I see, it just seems that people like to focus more on current events than the Gospel.

    That's all I meant. Your right, some people are hard at it with regards to the Gospel.
     
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