It is not over yet

1. Torture is not kind.
2. Torture is very ineffective as a method of collecting information (data).
3. Torture is un-American.
4. Americans who practice torture should NOT be allowed to work/retire in the USofA.

 

Ed knows not of what he speaks. His comments are simply knee jerk reactions against anything in opposition to the liberal, hate America crowd.

 

Mr

So torture is what a real American supports? I suppose it's OK if our citizens are tortured by other countries.

 

First of all, I'm not in favor of prosecuting anyone involved with this. Now that that is out of the way....

If you were in the military, and were captured, would it be OK for the enemy to waterboard you? Would it be an acceptable practice for the enemy to do? How about if it was your son or daughter? Would it be an acceptable practice for the enemy to waterboard your son or daughter?

 

Moot point. The enemy beheads, sawing off their victim's head while their victim is screaming for life and blood gushes out from their neck veins. Or they eviscerate you while you watch your guts coming out at the point of their swords while you gasp your last breath. Waterboarding is not an issue with them. Get a grip on reality about this enemy. Think Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg, etc.

 

I'm not denying that the enemy does far worse things than we do, but does that make it OK for us to torture as well? Just because our enemy uses evil practices, does not mean that we should as well.

In the spirtual realm, Satan uses many horrible and evil devices to achieve his goals. Should we as Christians battle him also using evil devices, since he used them first and uses them in a greater capacity?

 

Your idea of torture and my idea of torture must differ.

To torture me, all you have to do is show me a cockroach. I'll tell all.

But that is not true torture, is it?

One only has to go back in history and look at what the Japanese did to the Chinese or what the Nazi's did to Jews to see what true torture is. Waterboarding is not a torture method. We put our own Navy Seals through waterboarding as part of their training.

I thought you were of the mindset that we are a secular nation?

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Were you in the military ? I thought you said the mean boot camp instructors would prevent you from serving. Have I got the wrong guy ?

Waterboarding looks like a pleasant departure from some of the things I was subjected to while I served.

 

We can agree to disagree then.

Where did you get that idea? I believe we are a nation that was founded as a Christian nation, but we are falling away from our foundation. I don't believe, as some do, that our founding fathers meant for religion to be removed from governmental affairs. I believe they intended that religion play a large role in the lives of every person in this country. I believe that they just wanted government to stay out of religious affairs.

 

Nope..you've got the right guy and I still believe what I said. I won't work any job where my superiors yell, curse, and berate me. I don't care if it is the norm for that job...it doesn't make it right.

 

The Military is not a job. It is a service to the country. And the actions of which you speak are part of training not part of a job. It is training for captivity which is minimal considering what the enemy really does. Since you don't know what it is it is best you don't go.

 

I've been trained to go witnessing and in that training have never had any one yell at me or curse me. While witnessing I have had those things happen. So, should training for witnessing include the teacher yelling at and cursing the students?

 

You should ask the Military but if you go comparing being in captivity by the enemy to witnessing you will get laughed at.

 

I agree with this statement, and add, it would also be best if Matt Wade didn't try and speak for us, or try and put himself in our boots.

 

Your right...witnessing is far more important .

Why don't you enlighten me. How does a superior cursing at a soldier help that soldier when they have been captured? Do you think our fine men and women in the armed forces will crack under pressure of the enemy cursing at them, so we have to make sure they are able to handle the cursing? How does it help when superiors call the soldier degrading names? Will those captured soldiers be able to hold out for that much longer because their drill sergeant called them some names as well?