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AC Dixon, The Premier Fundamentalist

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  1. Rhetorician

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    To all who still believe in the Fundamentals:

    I just recently gave a paper at the Andrew Fuller Center for Baptist Studies at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. I have to say it was quite a delight to be invited to come and present.

    While there I heard a most interesting paper given by Dr. Priest. Most of you will know him. He has been one of the outstanding scholars of the Fundamentalist movement for years. He is quite an accomplished scholar who is a Bob Jones grad. I must say I was proud indeed with my "Bob Jones connection" to hear him present.

    Anyway, on the the meat. His presentation has been put on line. Every Fundamentalist of any hue or stripe owes it to themselves to hear this paper on AC Dixon, especially from a well known scholar like Dr. Priest.

    I look forward to your comments and insights after you have heard his presentation. Here you are:

    http://sbcvoices.com/baptist-spirituality-conference-audio/

    You will have to scroll down to find Dr. Priest's presentation.

    FYI! & Enjoy!

    "That is all!":thumbsup:
     
    #1 Rhetorician, Sep 12, 2009
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    Dr. Priest speaking at an SBC seminary? Did I misread this?!? Will wonders never cease!
     
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    It is a must listen!!!!

    Bro Swaimj,

    You saw and read it correctly. It is a must listen for all of the three areas where I posted it.

    Give it a try.:applause:

    "That is all!"
     
    #3 Rhetorician, Sep 12, 2009
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    I definitely want to hear it. Don't know when I'll get to, but it's on my short-term list of things to do.
     
    #4 swaimj, Sep 12, 2009
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    I want to apologize to the administrators for posting this more than once. I did not understand the rules and will try to remember NOT TO DO IT AGAIN.

    I, for one, appreciate all you do.:applause:

    "That is all!"
     
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    Is Dr. Priest's presentation availabe in text anywhere for those of us who have a difficult time hearing?
     
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    MD,

    Thanks for the question. I would contact the http://www.andrewfullercenter.org/ and tell them of your need. I know Rev. Steve Weaver personally. Tell him I sent you there and tell him of your need and I am sure he would help you.

    "That is all!"
     
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    I now have an MP3 player, so I look forward to downloading and listening to this presentation. Thanks again for posting.
     
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    If you had titled Brother Dixon A Premier Fundamentalist, I would aggre with your statement. However, I've known in my 38 years as a Christian too many men who I would put in the same category, BM Cedarholm, J. Singleton, D.C. Innes, et al. Mind you, I can be a bit provincial as a Historic Northern Baptist.
     
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    Ok, I listened to the presentation. There is no doubt that A.C. Dixon was an exemplary leader. He was educated, yet humble. He lead through persuasion, not intimidation. Still, I have two objections to Priest's presentation:

    One, Priest continually refers to Dixon as a fundamentalist and he refers to Dixon's "fellow fundamentalists". Dixon passed away in 1925. The term "fundamentalist" as applied to a movement was not coined until 1920. So, Dixon was not a self-consciously self-identified movement-"fundamentalist" during most of his effective ministry, if at all. Furthermore, people did not think of him this way during his ministry either, for the same reason. I think that Priest is reading his own prejudices into his presentation. Don't get me wrong. The presentation was excellent as to the information imparted, but Priest's interpretation of the information; that Dixon was a fundamentalist is suspect.

    Two, In his book A History of Fundamentalism, George Dollar gives little coverage of Dixon, and in his index of people, says that Dixon was a weak fundamentalist who backed off of the fundamentalist identity in his later ministry. I'd be interested to see what David Beale says about Dixon, though I do not have a copy of his book. This information also seems to go against Priest's interpretation.

    Also, for an indirectly related comment, if you go to this site and do some downloads, there are some other excellent presentations available. I listened to Mohler's convocation message on Rev 1 and it was excellent. I listed to Straub's presentation on Spurgeon and enjoyed that. I have one more presentation that I downloaded but have not yet listened to.
     
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    Considering the time frame, a better title might have been, A.C. Dixon A Premier Proto-Fundementalist (to use a Kevin Brauder term).
     
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    You will "try to remember?" Ha! Good one.
     
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    I agree with you!
     
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    Hello to all:

    Just for the record (JFTR), I may seem a bit lost on this section of the BB. But I was reared under the tutelage of a "Bob Jones man" as my pastor. And because of this, in an SBC church that was nominal SBC at best, I know quit well the ethos of the "Fundamentalist's movement."

    I did read a piece just yesterday on the "A Type," "B Type," and "C Type" of fundamentalism at Shaper Iron web blog.

    I know I have not, as a Calvinistic Southern Baptist, kept up. But can someone explain these new categories to me? Please?

    I will try not to get lost and end up here too much in the future. I know it makes many of the "old hands" nervous when an "SBC Hand" wanders into your discussions.:laugh:

    "That is all!"
     
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    Joel Tetraeu, a fundamentalist pastor in AZ ( I think) started writing on Sharper Iron sometime back to try to define this taxonomy that he invented. His idea seemed a little ill-defined and was pretty summarily rejected as a valid idea on Sharper Iron. He still uses the terms, as do some if his buddies, but, to my knowledge, no one has advanced a detailed definition for the "A,B,C" taxonomy, so far.

    However, as I understand it, here is what he means by it:

    Type A's are rigid fundamentalists who take separation to be the central practical doctrine of Christian life. (Think Detroit Seminary, BJU, Central Seminary here).

    Type C's are guys who DO NOT consider themselves to be a part of any fundamentalist movement, but who practice separation to some degree; by some definition. These people are otherwise known as Calvinistic Conservative Evangelicals. (Think MacArthur, Mark Dever here).

    Type B's are guys who probably have a background in the Type A institutions but feel quite comfotable with the calvinistic emphasis and the practical theology of the Type C's and think that A's and C's have more in common than either of them thinks. (Think Joel Tetreau here).
     
    #15 swaimj, Feb 7, 2010
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