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New case to demand evidence of Hawaiian birth

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Sep 23, 2009.

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  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    ........Department spokesman Janice Okubo told WND the laws have been interpreted to leave birth documentation exempted from public disclosure.

    But she admitted the law allows a challenge to such decisions in the courts.

    In fact, the law states, "A person aggrieved by a denial of access to a government record may bring an action against the agency at any time within two years after the agency denial to compel disclosure. … The circuit court may examine the government record at issue, in camera, to assist in determining whether it, or any part of it, may be withheld." ..........

    .......Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated over $1 million to avoid releasing an original long-form state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions. .......

    The "certification of live birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.

    Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth. .......Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated over $1 million to avoid releasing an original long-form state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions......

    More Here
     
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    Claims of Obama's foreign birth are a crock.

    The Hawaii birth certificate provided by the State of Hawaii is adequate proof that he was born in Hawaii, since it states his place of birth was in Hawaii. That fact alone adequately qualifies him as eligible for POTUS.

    Further, even if he wasn't born in Hawaii, he was born to an American Citizen, which makes him a natural born citizen. That fact alone adequately qualifies him as eligible for POTUS.

    There are numerous reasons to criticize Obama. His birth is not one of those reaons.
     
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    "Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time."
     
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    If it was such a "crock"then why is Obama willing to spend as much as one million dollars to fight not releasing the long form. That is what got my attention.
     
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    Crackpot lawyers make fruity claims all the time. The issue of Obama's mother's citicenship has been heard in court more than once, and the cases have got tossed out based on lack of merit.
    Except that it isn't true. According to the WND story, Obama has speant a million dollars in legal fees dealing with these crackpot lawsuits. That's not the same as spending a million dollars to avoid releasing of documents.
     
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    So you say. Again why is Obama willing to spend so much money to hide it.
     
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    That's a lot of money to spend to avoid showing a birth certificate.

    A certified copy of mine cost $23.
     
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    That's right it makes no sense to spend that much money hiding it unless there was a problem.
     
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    A certified copy of Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii has long since been released. The lawsuits continue anyway. This issue is a nonissue. It does nothing but make conservatives look like fools.
     
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    This is false but you go ahead and keep dancing around the facts we present.
     
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    You're kidding, aren't you? It is a FACT that a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate has been made public. It was released in 2008. It is also a fact that Obama's mother was a US itizen at the time of Obama's birth. If you don't acknowlege these facts, it is is obviously you who is dancing around facts.
     
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    No it was not released. The short form was released and again you continue your dance. Even non residents get issued the short form. So why is obama spending so much money to fight the release of the long form. That would put an end to it all.
     
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    The "short form vs long form is nonsense.

    The certified copy of Obama's birth certificate is the same certified copy of a birth certificate issued for anyone else born in Hawaii. I have a cousin born in Pearl City, whose certified copy birth certificate looks identical to Obama's.
     
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    Why does Obama spend hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars to hide the long form?

    Do you acknowledge that those who are not residents of Hawaii receive the short form as well?

    Do you acknowledge that the mother was to young at the time to give obama citizenship if he was born out of the states?
     
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    The certified copy of Obama's birth certificate is the same certified copy of a birth certificate issued for anyone else born in Hawaii. I have a cousin born in Pearl City, whose certified copy birth certificate looks identical to Obama's. [​IMG]

    And I have a daughter born in Honolulu that recieved a long form that looks nothing like his - so what? Answer the question, Why is he spending big bucks to fight this?
     
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    No. It hasn't.
     
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    Answered in post 5.
    Anyone can get a certified copy of a birth certificate. They're a matter of public record. Yes, nonresidents of a state can get a certified copy of a birth cert.
    No, because that's not the case. She was a US citizen by birth, and she was 18 when Obama was born. Regardless of location of his birth, he was a natural born citizen.
     
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    why hide something if theres nothing to hide.
     
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    There's nothing to hide. A certified copy of Obama's birth certificate has been released. The whole "long form" gossip is just gossip. I don't have a copy of my children's original birth certificates, so does that mean they're ineligible to be POTUS because I have certified copies from the county?
     
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    if theres nothing to hide, why work so hard at hiding nothing?
    Is there a certified copy of his birth certificate? Becasue the one that been posted here is not certified.
     
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