Abortion : should we admit exceptions ?

However, that in itself does not constitute murder. Self defense fits this definition, war fits this definition, and corporal punishment also does as well.

 

By your definition, then, a soldier commits murder every time he successfully obeys an order to kill his country's enemies. There are many forms of killing which are not murder.

 

Understood. My previous post wasn't an admonition upon you, but an intend to differentiate between killing for murder and killing for justifiable reasons.

 

Again: THIS IS NOT IN THE RULES ANYWHERE. Did you get that this time? Do I need to type it again? Here, let me post the rules, so you can examine them yourself...

"1. Be aware of forum Categories. We offer a wide range of forums. Most are for BAPTISTS only, to post opinions, views, beliefs and ideas. We also have a few forums for BAPTISTS and all other CHRISTIANS, with pertinent topics that relate to everyone.
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After this, follows the "User Agreement" (which is basically a restatement of the rules) Which ALSO does not have anything in it like this. It then says...

Please note at the bottom, it says...

"This is our entire and exclusive User Agreement and it supersedes any earlier version."

So questioning a certain person or groups salvation is not against board rules at all. If someone says "I don't want to follow Jesus", and I say "Then you are not saved", this is not a breaking of the rules.

Perhaps I am missing some other rules somewhere? (even though the statement at the bottom of the user agreement; i.e the "supersedes" and "exclusive", would legally render them null and void...)

 

Whether it is stated in the rules or not, it is not proper to question the salvation of a fellow believer over political viewpoints or over items outside the fundamentals of the faith such as having come to God through Christ Jesus in faith and repentance.

And I don't see how we can determine if someone has come to God through Christ Jesus in faith and repentance when all we have to go on is posts on message board short of a person explicit claiming the he/she has not done so.

 

Had my wife ever had an ectopic pregnancy, I believe we would have opted for the transplant to womb procedure.

Not a high success rate but it has happened.

Ann would you choose to die? Just curious?

Thanks
HankD

 

You are, it falls under personal attacks. If you don't believe me, PM any moderator. People have been openly warned and subsequently banned for doing so. Questioning the salvation of a person or group that claims salvation by grace through faith is a personal attack. It's not like I said I'm an atheist or anything. Would it be considered a personal attack to state calvinists are so-called Christians? Absolutely. Quit trying to justify the unjustifiable. Believing the saving of a mother's life over the child's does not affect salvation one iota.

 

Regardless of whether tube-to-womb transplants are feasable, the bottom line is that the decision on what to do lies with the expectant parent(s), and there is no reaonable cource of action here that is morally wrong.

 

I saw a documentary in which a woman had a successful out-of-womb pregnancy go to completion. They knew from the beginning that something was not quite right due to the position and location of the baby. The mother insisted that she attempt to complete the pregnancy. The fetus had somehow re-attached itself to the beginning cells of the placenta and developed enough to allow for a Caesarian birth.

I'm not sure of all the details. I'll try to find out more on the web.
It had happened some time ago (maybe 5 years), but It was not on TV until about a month ago.

The documentary said the chances were "one-in-2-million" for this to happen.

From that incident there has been animal research (sheep) and reportedly one successful transplant.

BTW, my wife and I have had 11 children, one marriage, one family.
All were single child birthings born natural except the first.
All were nursed.


HankD

 

OK, I'll try to find the documentary and it's name. It was not exactly a transplant but a re-attachment. It was not something that was done to her but had happened to her and the child naturally.

HankD

 

Take a look at this Ann...

http://www.jultrasoundmed.org/cgi/content/abstract/23/3/359


HankD

 

No, it doesn't; not in the way that I used it. It would be no different than saying "Muslims are not saved". I did not accuse any particular person on this board: this is not a personal attack. That is ridiculous.

Saying that it is even possible for a person that goes around murdering babies to be saved (or advocating the murder of babies) is ridiculous. The scriptures say we "Get a new heart", not a "Heart to murder babies".

The fact is YOU are the one breaking the rules. You have advocated abortion, which is forbidden. THAT is what is not justifiable!!

 

Yes, you are right, I misread the article. I thought they were able to migrate the embryo into the proper postion.

That's too bad. Maybe some day.

HankD

 

Jesus taught us a new way to live, not under the law but in love.

Exd 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

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Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

 

Um...I think you meant capital punishment?Corporal punishment is rarely fatal...unless you went to the same school as me...