Romans 4:10

The point is that Abraham is the prototype of all who are saved. He was saved, not by keeping the law, for the law had not been given. He was saved, not by circumcision, for circumcision had not yet been commanded. He was saved by faith in the promise that God made him.

 

Pray tell, how do you conclude that from what I said?

Just say what you want to say and be done with it. I don't think I want to play your game.

 

Without reading other comments, that God has justified both Jew and Gentile apart from the works of the Law in Christ Jesus on the basis of faith alone.

 

But here is my conclusion, which you apparently did not read.

So I conclude that we are saved today, not by the law, and not by circumcision, but by faith, just as Abraham was. That is the point of Romans 4:10.

 

Once again, you edited out the last part of what I said. If you read it, the answer is clear. I have clarified my statement and a "yes or no" answer is not necessary. I think everyone on the BB who reads it can understand it. If you cannot, then for you, it will have to remain a mystery.

 

I don't understand it. Do you believe that under the adminstration of the Law of Moses that people were saved by keeping that Law?

 

I have spoken about Abraham who lived prior to the law and I have spoken about believers today, who live after the law. In both cases, people are saved by faith, apart from the law. I don't see what you don't understand about that. Please clarify. As for people who were under the law and how they were saved, I have not addressed that, so I don't see why that is relevant to what I have said nor why that topic, which is unaddressed in the thread should cause you to not understand my clear statements about how Abraham was saved and how people are saved today.

 

My question to you was about how people were saved under the adminstration of the Law of Moses. I want to know what you believe about that. Were they saved by the Law, hence, the works of the Law, or were they saved by faith alone?

 

Is that what you wonder? Tell you what, Kyredneck, run a poll on the BB and see how many dispys will say that they hold the position that people under the law were saved by keeping the law. You will not find one, because that is not a tenant of dispensationalism and never has been. I don't feel the need to defend myself on this point because the system I espouse does not hold such a thing and I have never said anything on this board that would indicate that I hold such a thing. The issue is not a real issue. It is a contrived issue that springs out of your own confusion.

 

There is no reason for you to ask me this question. I have never said anything on this board (member since June 2000) that even hints that I believe such a thing. I consider this question an insult. If you hung me upside-down by my ears and pulled my toe-nails out one by one, I would not give you the pleasure of hearing a yes or no answer to this question.

 

Ok, so you don't believe people under the Law were saved by the works of the Law while the Mosaic Covenant was in effect.

That wasn't too hard now was it? lol

 

Kyredneck, here is the opening sentence of this thread:

I seriously doubt that the average 6-year-old would comprehend this question or the concept of circumcision, especially if the 6-year-old was female. I think theology has a depth that apparently has not occurred to you.