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Edward 1689er

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The "starbucks experience" on the Lord's Day is just another attempt to reach the world by appealing to its desires. It is a fundamental misunderstanding of man's lost condition to believe that we can reach the lost by appealing to the desires of lost people. I realize that drinking coffee on the Lord's Day is not a sin. But creating a "starbucks experience" to please Christ haters is wrong headed. Here is my question, are these so-called "coffee houses" in the church for reaching out to the lost or just for the saints to enjoying coffee?
 
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Edward 1689er said:
The "starbucks experience" on the Lord's Day is just another attempt to reach the world by appealing to its desires. It is a fundamental misunderstanding of man's lost condition to believe that we can reach the lost by appealing to the desires of lost people. I realize that drinking coffee on the Lord's Day is not a sin. But creating a "starbucks experience" to please Christ haters is wrong headed. Here is my question, are these so-called "coffee houses" in the church for reaching out to the lost or just for the saints to enjoying coffee?
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Oh brother... :BangHead: It's a fundamental misunderstanding to believe God cannot work in the lives of the lost by appealing to their desires.

Let me guess...you probably think it is equally wicked to bring nations that don't have God's Word Bibles in their native tongue. If you are going to be consistent, having something you can read in your own language appeals to them
 
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Don't feed the troll.. He will move away.. or go to the Pharisaical Board.

Either way, we have dealt with plenty of self-righteous trolls in the past.. IGNORE.

Only the most stubborn stick around.
 
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Edward 1689er

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webdog said:
Oh brother... :BangHead: It's a fundamental misunderstanding to believe God cannot work in the lives of the lost by appealing to their desires.

Let me guess...you probably think it is equally wicked to bring nations that don't have God's Word Bibles in their native tongue. If you are going to be consistent, having something you can read in your own language appeals to them
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Therefore, are you saying that we are reach the lost by appealing to their unregenerate desires?:BangHead::BangHead:
 
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Edward 1689er said:
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Therefore, are you saying that we are reach the lost by appealing to their unregenerate desires?:BangHead::BangHead:
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Absolutely! A desire is not necessarily sinful. We desire food, shelter, companisonship...and coffee.
 
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Edward 1689er said:
Romans 3: 11 " no one understands; No One Seeks for God."
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That has nothing to do with the conversation whatsoever. We are talking about desires. The one that doesn't understand and seek God has already rejected the truths presented to them. They still desire, food, shelter, etc.
 
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Edward 1689er said:
The "starbucks experience" on the Lord's Day is just another attempt to reach the world by appealing to its desires. It is a fundamental misunderstanding of man's lost condition to believe that we can reach the lost by appealing to the desires of lost people. I realize that drinking coffee on the Lord's Day is not a sin. But creating a "starbucks experience" to please Christ haters is wrong headed. Here is my question, are these so-called "coffee houses" in the church for reaching out to the lost or just for the saints to enjoying coffee?
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Matthew 25:

And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'
 
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rbell

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Edward 1689er said:
The "starbucks experience" on the Lord's Day is just another attempt to reach the world by appealing to its desires. It is a fundamental misunderstanding of man's lost condition to believe that we can reach the lost by appealing to the desires of lost people. I realize that drinking coffee on the Lord's Day is not a sin. But creating a "starbucks experience" to please Christ haters is wrong headed. Here is my question, are these so-called "coffee houses" in the church for reaching out to the lost or just for the saints to enjoying coffee?
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"The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this Publican..." -Luke 18:11

Your post, besides showing off pridefulness, is simply a logical trainwreck.​

Of course, if your biggest concern is "eating with sinners and publicans," I guess I know a group you would fit in just fine.​
 
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Edward 1689er

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rbell said:
"The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this Publican..." -Luke 18:11

Your post, besides showing off pridefulness, is simply a logical trainwreck.​

Of course, if your biggest concern is "eating with sinners and publicans," I guess I know a group you would fit in just fine.​
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The issue to not whether believers should eat with sinners. Believers should develop relationships with unbelievers and witness to them.

I thought this thread was about building "cafe houses" in churches and calling it a part of the churches ministry.

Evidently, for a few people at least, it is about calling people "pharisee" or "troll"who disagree with this practice.

Nevertheless, Grace and Peace to You!:jesus:
 
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Edward 1689er said:
The "starbucks experience" on the Lord's Day is just another attempt to reach the world by appealing to its desires. It is a fundamental misunderstanding of man's lost condition to believe that we can reach the lost by appealing to the desires of lost people. I realize that drinking coffee on the Lord's Day is not a sin. But creating a "starbucks experience" to please Christ haters is wrong headed. Here is my question, are these so-called "coffee houses" in the church for reaching out to the lost or just for the saints to enjoying coffee?
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Desire is part of what draws us to Christ. So you do not have a desire for God? As far as cafe's go the intent is to get the attention of the lost, build a relationship, and have an opportunity where you have their full attention to present the gospel. It is not presented as the gospel or even part of it. Now you may still be in disagreement about that but we need to be clear about desires and what the cafe's are used for.
 
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