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The KJV may be a hill to die on for some zealots but most divisions come from theinterpretation of the Word without much consideration of the translation or version.

 

Actually, the issue is with interpretation of the Scriptures, the the Scriptures themselves. Just like the Mormons use the KJV and the JW's used the KJV for many years. The issue of doctrine isn't about the translation, but how you use the Bible.

You speaking of a 100% perfect copy that is complete from Genesis to Revelation bound in one book....God never promised anything like that. God did promise to preserve His Word. It didn't come to us in a bound Gen-Rev copy and there is no promise that it would be perfectly copied down in that form. However, we can be sure that God has perserved his words and we have some very good translations in the KJV, ESV, NASB, NKJV and even the NIV.

Who do you know is trying to improve upon the Bible? We all want to have in English exactly what God originally wrote in his word.

Anybody here try to case doubt on the validity of the Bible?

 

Actually, there have been many other extremely serious problems over the years that have caused Baptists to separate from each other. I suggest that you really need to study Baptist history before making such sweeping, mistaken statements. Here are just a few of the splits (there have been others):

(1) The general and particular Baptists split over Calvinism.
(2) In the late 19th century the Baptist Union of Britain split over higher criticism, with Charles Spurgeon leading the opposition, and eventually separating from the BU.
(3) A huge split over liberalism occurred among the Northern Baptists in the first half of the 20th century, with many coming out to form the Conservative Baptist group, and then others coming out of them to form the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship. My own mission board was formed by the fundamentalists who came out of the Conservative Baptists after their pleas for doctrinal purity on the mission field went unanswered.
(4) Various splits occured among the Southern Baptists in the 20th century that were not connected with preservation. My own grandfather was blackballed by the Texas Baptist Convention over evolution being taught in Baylor U. Many others left the SBC over liberalism to form the independent Baptist movement during the first half of the 20th century. Then a further split in the SBC occurred beginning in the 1970s over theological liberalism, in particular the issue of Biblical inerrancy (not preservation).

Concerning splitting over the issue of Biblical preservation, there are still many independent Baptists who fellowship with each other despite differences over the doctrine and how it should be stated. I would like to know of any Scriptures that command us to separate from one another over the issue of preservation. I know of none. The Scriptures you gave don't address this.

 

Seeing as the vast majority of Christians either don't speak English or have never had access to an English Bible this isn't the Church's (notice the proper grammar) biggest problem.

Though advocating for this as the problem might be part of the real problem...

 

SL, you are not some little innocent lamb who popped in here with some off the wall statement. We all know your position and unless you are really more specific with your comments then we assume that anything you say has a KJVO cloak thrown over it.

 

Your entire premise if flawed. Baptists have separated over:

Points of Calvinism
Standards of personal separation
-Hair length
-Women in trousers
-Mixed swimming
-Hats on women
-Going to movies
-Wire rimmed glasses
-Wearing jeans
Liberalism
Evolution
Concepts of local vs universal church
Music and worship styles


And many, many, many others.

It has only been about 50 years since one segment of Baptists began the practice of dividing over translations. Most Baptists don't split over the issue. It is only one tiny segment, a blip on the screen.

Why would brethren divide over something the word of God never addresses?

 

We used to have a saying, "Two baptists in the same room and three opinions." It seems to have held water over my lifetime.

Cheers,

Jim

 

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Wrong. Most of the Conservative Independent Baptists I know have no problem with modern English translations. Only an incredibly tiny segment do have an issue.

In fact, can those who make an issue over a topic never addressed in the word of God really be conservative?

 

I am a conservative Independent Baptist and I support modern English translations.

 

Let me get this straight. A Conservative Independent Baptist would only support a translation that was ordered by the government and translated by a team that was overwhelming Anglican?

 

Stilllearning, is this something that you have come to know through experience(all conservative independent baptists you know are kjv only) or is this your thinking that someone that supports a modern version isn't a true conservative independent baptist. I do question as to how does that go about? Obviously being an independent baptist doesn't make them kjv only. And reading a modern version doesn't make a person not be conservative. I would say I'm an independent baptist and I'm conservative and I use the ESV.

You might want to be careful how your characterize people. You post is on the boarder of attacking your brothers and sisters in Christ. If you want to discuss the modern versions vs the KJV, thats fine, but don't start assuming people are liberal(I know you didn't use the term) because they use a modern version of the Scripture.