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"Secure the borders" <-- What would this look like?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Baptist Believer, Jul 30, 2010.

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  1. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
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    In the current debate over the major problems with immigration in the United States, I often hear people say that we should not deal with immigration reform until "we secure the borders."

    For the most part, I agree (at least in theory). Yet, this stipulation begs the question, what would securing the borders look like? How much would illegal immigration have to be restricted before the borders would be declared "secure"?

    Those of you who advocate "securing the borders" before dealing with immigration reform, please try to quantify an answer.

    What is the upper limit regarding the number of illegals entering the U.S. before our border ceases to be secure?

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    Would securing the borders involve some sort of Berlin-wall type structure completely surrounding all of the land borders? (Remember, we have an enormous amount of rural coastline, so massive walls at the borders will not necessarily keep motivated illegals out.)

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    Would securing the borders simply be a strong enforcement of our immigration laws (similar to the new Arizona law) without any connection to a wall or the number of illegals who manage to enter the U.S.?

    OR

    Something else?

    What say ye?
     
    #1 Baptist Believer, Jul 30, 2010
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    I think it is primarily an enforcement of existing laws.
     
    #2 StefanM, Jul 31, 2010
  3. Bob Alkire

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    I agree, but today we would need more man power on the boarder and at airports as well as on the water.

    As a child here in Florida we would see buses like Greyhound buses filled with illegal immigrants being taken to be exported out of this country. I've got a friend from Van Horn, Texas who is just a little older than I, and he recalls seeing buses filled with illegal immigrants going to Eagle Pass, Tx., Del Rio, Tx. or El Paso, Tx. to be exported back home. Having seen that in years.
     
    #3 Bob Alkire, Jul 31, 2010
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    It is not an "immigration" problem, it is a criminal problem handled by requiring employers/tax folks/police to verify citizenship.

    This is an OR perspective, assume it differs from state to state.

    When I went to work at a large Co. 20 or so years ago I had to show who I was. I had to prove citizenship at DMV yet illlegals did not. Duuuuh, that one was a giant loophole for years.

    Police CANNOT do anything until the person is arrested for something else.

    Tax people know 25 people are using the same STOLEN social sec. number and are not allowed legally to report it to anyone.

    Enforce the laws we have as has been said.

    Secure boarder? Not what we have for sure.
     
    #4 exscentric, Jul 31, 2010
  5. targus

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    One terrorist crossing into the U.S. is one too many.

    When people enter the U.S. illegally we have no idea who they are or what they are planning to do.

    When adding the parameter of "who" could be entering illegally "zero illegal entries" should be the goal.

    We could never reach that goal - but that should be the goal of those who are charged with protecting the borders.

    With current technology a physica lbarrier along the entire border is neither necessary nor desirable.

    Electronic sensors, video cameras and a mobile security force would probably be effective along most of the border.

    Such laws are designed to detain illegal immigrants after they have made successful entry into the U.S. illegally.

    They are necessary after the fact but not the answer to stopping illegal entry.

    How about politicans that don't actively work against immigration laws and the will of the average citizen.

    How about politicians that actually attempt to enforce the laws to prevent illegal immigration as much as possible instead of trying to gain the illegal votes of illegal immigrants.

    And yes - illegal immigrants do vote in many many cases.
     
    #5 targus, Jul 31, 2010
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