How does one side have all the truth?

:laugh: If that's your idea of "balanced", you just have to be a liberal.

You, my friend, are very much part of the problem you identify above. You'll play no part in providing a "solution".

 

Eric B
I understand what you are saying and agree to a certain extent. Of course, we think we are right no matter what viewpoint we take. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. Can I give the other guy the right to express his viewpoint? Of course, no one can stop the other side from expressing their views.

You mention the Health Care bill. I am opposed to it because it will end up with my tax dollars paying to murder the unborn. So I am going to keep on talking about it. And I am going to keep on thinking they are not just mistaken about it but are sinfully wrong. I understand that others feel that abortion is a woman's right. I understand their position, but they are wrong.

I am not certain that the video talking not about Christians but about the media supports your point.

 

>Where does this whole "good guys versus bad guys" mentality come from?

From their religious training about other religions and denominations?

 

Not necessarily.

Even atheist - anti-God liberals have a good guy / bad guy mentality.

They're just confused about who the good guys and the bad guys are.

 

Part of the problem is that many liberals have a "the ends justify the means" mentality.

This rationalizes a host of undesireable behaviors and characteristics on their part in order to save the masses of people from themselves...

Since everyone knows that liberals know better than we do what is good for us.

 

Sometimes, I think we need to remember that we are called to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not the gospel of Glenn Beck, Rush, et al. We all should be more concerned about the spiritual views of our neighbors rather than their political views. We want to convert them to Christ, not to the republican (or democrat) party.

That being said, of course my theology impacts my world view, including my politics. On certain issues, I believe Scripture is clear. On other issues, perhaps not so much and there is room for good, honest debate.

Whether my brother or sister is a conservative, liberal, libertarian or whatever, he/she is still a brother or sister in Christ. We should treat each other as such.

PS -- BTW, I still hope my side wins in November.

 

You mean kind of like that whole Ollie North/Iran Contra thing?? Or perhaps that Watergate incident??

I think that happens on each side of the aisle.

 

The problem is people get sucked into the political game, which is just a distraction tactic. What is the difference between the democrats and republicans in general? The answer is: not much. Both will wreck this country if left to their own devices. I believe the dems will wreck it faster, but make no mistake that Bush and the republican congress were well on their way.

Look, a politician is a politician. They are, in general, liars. They lack integrity. They are worried more about getting votes to secure their own careers than about doing what is right. They spin things and cater to voters. In short, they cannot be trusted. While I'd rather have reps in there than dems, the truth is I find both lacking and would rather have someone else, someone that cared, someone that was a true statesman and put the country before themselves.

The fact is, deliverance isn't going to come from Washington, a political party, a movement, or an ideology. These things are idols man has constructed himself and then looks to for deliverance. How utterly foolish.

 

Wow. You're proving his point perfectly.

 

That's absolutely true.

When we divide and distinguish over the smallest of points, we are drawing lines in the sand and excluding other brothers and sisters without reason. We're going to have theological differences. We're going to think other people are wrong. But it's not a big deal. I'd like to think that I'm right on target on every point of belief I have, but I'm sure I'm wrong somewhere.

It would be better if we held our beliefs with an open hand.

 

Again, proving his point.

 

Excluded in what way?

 

From fellowship. Some of the more extreme folks try to exclude from salvation based on the most trivial of doctrinal points.

 

I guess I would say my "default setting" is freedom and liberty. There are some issues, like abortion, where there is a clear-cut moral responsibility to protect, and to legislate.

If there's any doubt, then my "default setting" is to say, "don't restrict freedoms and liberty."

But I do think it's entirely possible to say, with conviction, that I feel the conservative course of action is overwhelmingly the wiser choice, because our "default setting" is more in line with our country's foundational principles.

You're right that it should more often be done with less venom and less antipathy.

 

First - salvation is from God. No one else can exclude anyone else from salvation. It is not ours to give to another or to take from another.

Second - this is the politics section of the board so obviously the discussions here are about politics - not doctrine.

Third - debating politics is fellowship.

 

Re the OP:

While there is a bit of truth in what you say, your attitude & interpretation tells me that you are truly biased enough that you don't see the "TRUTH"

Ever see the movie A FEW GOOD MEN?

I really had ambivalent feelings about this, because both the prosecution AND the defense had some very good arguments for their side.

But it's kinda like the old Col. said, "Son you don't want to know the truth!", and that's the way it is for both parties - neither really want to know the truth.

Having said all that, I must say that if you are truly accusing the conservatives as being as obnoxious and poison in their comments as the liberals, well, I'll just have to agree with the Col.!!

Guilty? YES, but nowhere near as vicious!!!

And it's typical for the left to use 3 standard tactics when facts are not on their side:
1 Attack the messenger
2 Make an attempt to make it a "We're better than you because---" issue (The old BDS)
3 Take the debate in some direction to obscure the real point being made, or pick a minor point & amplify it

Again, YES conservatives do this also, BUT NOWHERE TO THE EXTENT OF THE LEFT.

 

Glad to help.:smilewinkgrin:

 

Again, no substance, just more useless talk.