The Atonement;AW Pink

A great topic! Unfortunately, I just now saw this as I was going to bed.:sleeping_2:

Hopefully others will add to this thread tonight. It is very good for us to study out and meditate on what we have in Christ, on just who He is. We covered many of these points you raised as we went through our study on Hebrews in my old Bible study. As I taught through it I often referred to both Owen and Pink esp. Owen and his Commentary and Christologia.

 

I think before you start laying out mans view of how the atonement works, it is best to begin where it began. In the OT... under the Law. Though there are foreshadows preceding it.. it was in the Law where the Atonement is described.. to whom it is for.. as well as it's purpose.

We all know that God is the source.. but as that source he has given us, with great care, His word to guide us in understanding (as you are desiring to show). However, it is best to begin from the beginning and grasp first what the Law (which established the work and necessity of the atonement) says about it. It is from there we understand the work of Christ and the propitiation for our sins.

just my thoughts.

 

This question would fall into category 11 – Typification. What/who does Azazel represent? I'm for real curious to hear other's thoughts/knowledge on this.

7 And he shall take the two goats, and set them before Jehovah at the door of the tent of meeting.
8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for Jehovah, and the other lot for Azazel.
9 And Aaron shall present the goat upon which the lot fell for Jehovah, and offer him for a sin-offering.
10 But the goat, on which the lot fell for Azazel, shall be set alive before Jehovah, to make atonement for him, to send him away for Azazel into the wilderness.
26 And he that letteth go the goat for Azazel shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward he shall come into the camp. Lev 16

I believe this is the only mention of Azazel in the scriptures.

 

Azazel, or the scapegoat, is one of those complex types.

- It typifies Jesus Christ in the sense that all the sins of God's people were placed onto it.
- It typifies Jesus in that it is a live goat, as well the sin offering goat that dies also represents Jesus, in that Jesus died and yet lives.
- It typifies the entire body of sin for God's elect people.
- The fit man, by whose hand the scapegoat is taken into the wilderness pictures Jesus taking away the sin of His people into what the bible calls a land no inhabited (literally a land of separation). Jesus forever separated our sins from us, and we shall not be punished with everlasting punishment for them. Now those sins are gone, they are forgotten, God has cast them behind His back, they are as far from us as the east is from the west (an infinite distance).

That whole 16th chapter of Leviticus is filled with pictures of the atoning work of Christ. What a great section of scripture! What a wonderful Savior we have!

 

Reminder

I think it was a reminder of cain and able and the comming of the Lord the one who takes the sin of the world punishment and also takes the sin away of those who trust the Lord and believes in Him and who He is. They are saved the same was as those who trusted in the Lord and His word and looked at the snake lifted up and saved from death.Trusting in the Lord is no way working for our salvation or take away from grace. Only men believe that not God.

 

I come from a background of observance of the DOA (Day of Atonement.) I thought I would share some of my understanding on this subject. The goat that was sacrificed at the temple was to cover Aaron sins. Then he could enter into the Holy of Holies. The sins of the nation of Israel were placed on the head of the Azazel. Azazel comes from Azaz meaning a rough or high mountain ledge.

The Azazel was taken to this ledge and cast headlong over the cliff, thus killing the animal. The rope attached to the animal was red in color. If the rope remained red it was viewed as God's sign that their sins were not forgiven. If it turned white it was viewed as God's acceptance of the sacrifice and their sins forgiven.

While on the subject of sacrifices I wanted to mention, that parts of most sacrifices were eaten by the priest only. The most important sacrifice was that of the Skip Over. The flesh of it was to be eaten by all citizens of Israel. Its meaning was/is that death skips over us. It is the only sacrifice rolled over into the NT. It is now the bread and wine we take at Communion.

Anyway, my two cents. :jesus:

 

7 He shall take the two goats and present them before the Lord at the door of the Tent of Meeting.
8 Aaron shall cast lots on the two goats--one lot for the Lord, the other lot for Azazel or removal.
9 And Aaron shall bring the goat on which the Lord's lot fell and offer him as a sin offering.
10 But the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel or removal shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over him, that he may be let go into the wilderness for Azazel (for dismissal). Lev 16 Amplified Bible

Where in the scriptures are any of these instructions given? Where in the scriptures is it articulated that they were to do it this way? I understand the scriptures to say that the goat was to be set free, not killed. And I see no mention whatsoever of a red rope that was to turn white. This has to be Jewish superstition.

 

I like many things Pink teaches and is very wise. I am not a hyper pink or a hyper anything. I believe the Scripture over men. I agree He secured a people that was
already His, but also included with them those who have heard the Gospel of their salvation having believed. It is awesome that God will include a dog like me begging at the table. Praise God through Jesus.

 

I note you stopped here.. why?

How come you didn't go into 'whom' the Law declared the atonement was to be given 'for'? You will note in that that is was for ALL Israel, regardless whether an Israelite believed or not, it was made on his behalf.

Nope.. not unless one wishes to ignore parts of the atonement that make it "Lawfully" acceptable unto to God.

I see Pink doing quite a bit of cherry picking personally to formulate his view, while leaving out aspects that contradict it.

 

I was going to ask the same thing, but I thought maybe I just missed something. I guess I didn't after all. I've never heard of this.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azazel

"The Jewish Encyclopedia (1910) contains the following entry:

The Rabbis, interpreting "Azazel" as Azaz ("rugged"), and el ("strong"), refer it to the rugged and rough mountain cliff from which the scapegoat was cast down on Yom Kippur when the Jewish Temples in Jerusalem stood. (Yoma 67b; Sifra, Aḥare, ii. 2; Targum Jerusalem Lev. xiv. 10, and most medieval commentators). Most modern scholars, after having for some time endorsed the old view, have accepted the opinion mysteriously hinted at by Ibn Ezra and expressly stated by Nachmanides to Lev. xvi. 8, that Azazel belongs to the class of "se'irim," goat-like spirits, jinn haunting the desert, to which the Israelites were accustomed to offering sacrifice. (Compare "the roes and the hinds," Cant. ii. 7, iii. 5, by which Sulamith administers an oath to the daughters of Jerusalem. The critics were probably thinking of a Roman faun.)"

 

The goat was led away to a rocky mount and was killed in public view. Our Lord was led away in like fashion to Golgotha, a rocky mount and was lifted up and slain so all could see.