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Returning Fire.

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Van, Mar 28, 2011.

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  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Have you ever been attacked verbally, harassed by a group that believes by cutting down someone, they elevate themselves? What are we do to? The flesh shouts, return fire, fan the flames, and go mano a mano (hand to hand) with those that persecute you. But are we to follow the desires of the flesh? Nope.

    Did you ever think about the concept of humility. Ben Franklin tried to incorporate that virtue into his character, but never made much progress. He admitted later that even if He had succeeded, he would have been proud of it. :)

    Another concept is "meekness." Some mistakenly equate meekness with weakness but that misses the point. Meekness refers to power under control. So when we are hit with the "fiery darts of the wicked" to borrow an apt phrase from the KJV, we control the power of our fleshly desires to have us hit back. How could we do such a thing. Humility.

    Humility is not so much what we do toward others, it has much to do with what we allow others to do to us, to take body blows, even nails driven into our hands, being restrained not by fear or weakness, but by our love for God and for those who persecute us.

    Some of you may have owned a dog. My Dad did, it was called "old joe." My Dad did not like it much. It licked him and followed him everywhere he went. One day, while walking across a field, an rattlesnake raised its head and rattled and prepared to strike. But that dog, who took the ear pulling, the kicking, the mishandling of three kids, stopped that snake with his life.

    Power under control, restrained by love demonstrates humility.
     
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    As Christian we should show as much restraint as possible but the following comes to mind.

    Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

    Push comes to shove and it's either me or the rattlesnake..., so be it. I am a firm believer in self-defense..., if this is in keeping with the thought of your post.
     
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    Van thinks that he has been unfairly attacked on this board for bringing subjects to the table concerning open theism.

    He wishes to find some mid-point between full on open theism and what he calls "deterministism" or a "deterministic view" of God.

    When the error of his theology was pointed out by several of us, he sort of went on a rampage.
     
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    Van thinks that he has been unfairly attacked on this board for bringing subjects to the table concerning open theism.

    He wishes to find some mid-point between full on open theism and what he calls "deterministism" or a "deterministic view" of God.

    When the error of his theology was pointed out by several of us, he sort of went on a rampage.

    Gotcha'.

    But let me ask you this. As each of the some 500 billion of us on this planet have different finger prints (which is quite amazing in and of itself) and considering that we all come from different back-grounds, have different needs, different mindsets, etc., who's to say that any of us are wrong in what we believe, if we all believe and accept the Lord Jesus as our Savior?

    Now, if someone decides that Jesus did not die on the cross, but rather, had a stand in..., or some other nonsense, I see nothing wrong with pointing out their error.

    If on the other hand, Luke 22:36 is my justification to own fire arms but can be understood totally different by another having a totally different application to their lives all together, who am I to tell them they are wrong?

    I'm certainly not familiar with Van's position on theism but all of us want to be heard. Right, wrong or indifferent. We all like to be heard. Responses such as, "you're wrong; you're a liar; you're an idiot; I know it all;" does not encourage much more than hard feelings.

    Personally, I hate to be around someone who knows it all. It's gets boring real quick and they never seem to catch on.

    If someone "pushes" their ideals rather than explaining 'em then perhaps a "push" back is in order. It's just me talking here.

    Sorry for the rambling.
     
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  5. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Ephesians 4:1-3 pretty much makes my point. And it has nothing to do with me other than I should apply it to myself if I want others to see it is possible to walk the talk.
     
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    Van, no one is stopping you from talking (posting). But neither do we have to agree with you, especially when you post in a Baptist debate board. Note the word DEBATE.

    I've had this pointed out to me several times as well. Any negative response is not directed to you, personally, but to the theology you post.
     
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    Humility requires that I remain silent when others treat me other than how I would like to be treated. Our model for humility is Christ and presented in Philippians 2.
     
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    you ever been in a Calvinism vs Arminianism debate (note: debate) on this board ?
    yes ?
    what ?
    you didn't notice anything ?
    amazing.
     
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    Oh Pino, LOL (note: Debate/ more like war)

    Stick around Van....you aint seen notin yet! LOL

    Love ya Dude
     
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