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A smart Guy, that John Wesley...

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by 12strings, Feb 12, 2012.

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  1. 12strings

    12strings Active Member

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    From the final paragraphs of John Wesley's "The Question, "What Is an Arminian?" Answered by a Lover of Free Grace

     
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    12 Strings, are you a Calvinist?
     
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    Mostly...most of the time. Though I have not baptized my 1.5 year old son yet.

    Why do you ask?
     
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    If someone looked and said, I believe you are a Calvinist, would you be offended?

    Wesley may have indeed been smart, but he was not able to discern why he himself was, in his own words, "'far too close to Calvinism."
     
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    1. No, I would not be offended. I don't know if I would define limited atonement as some calvinist would, as I think that point to be mostly semantics on both sides...so I may be a 4ish pointer. However, I would also not be offended if someone said, "I believe you are a brunette," But would be a bit put-off if they automatically wanted nothing to do with me based on their assesment.

    2. My primary reason for posting wesley's comments was His humble and charitable approach to those he disagreed with, which is something I think we could all learn from.

    3. What, may I ask, is it about Wesley's views that you consider too close to calvinism?
     
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    We all do need to be charitable in our comments one to another. :thumbsup:

    It was Wesley himself that claimed he knew he was far too close to Calvinism, but never gave an explanation for that intuitive deduction that I have ever read. There is absolutely no question in my mind as to why he was far too close to Calvinism, and it started from the inbred belief of the Calvinism he came out of, that being the notion of original sin.

    I'm not trying to change this thread, but only mentioned this as a clear example of an intelligent and charitable man still confused in part via his Calvinistic upbringing via the dogma of original sin.
     
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    Know that he was good friends of george Whitefield, so was indeed "close to" calvinism!


    What did you think of His second act of grace, sinless perfection doctrine?
     
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