Salvation After Death

Only God knows for sure what God will do.

 

My friend. I would say it is not an orthodox doctrine, and it is worth dividing over. This "doctrine" damages soteriology-the doctrines of salvation.

It totally bypasses the ongoing work of salvation by Jesus Christ in the believer's daily walk in victory; being conformed to the image and likeness of Christ.

 

Absolutely not. The rich man in hell communed with Abraham, and in all that he said, not once did he ask Abraham to "get me out of here". But rather, he was desirious of one drop of water to cool his burning tongue.


If they were given a chance after death, no one would stay there. All would believe and be saved, IMO.

 

Great point! The rich man never lost his self-righteousness, as he still treated Lazarus as a common beggar who would still do his bidding in sending Lazarus.

Paul Washer said, (paraphrasing) if God flew open the door to hell and and said, whoever repents can come out; they would slam the door in His face.

 

I don't know if all would slam the door shut, but some/most would be idiotic enough to do so. I do think some would take Him up on the offer, though.

This looks like the polar opposite of my previous post, huh?

 

My friend. If one didn't want God in life. Why would they want Him in death? What changed?

 

Maybe the flames?

 

My friend. First of all I do not believe hell has a fire that we see here on earth, second the bible says, we are all born at enmity with God, and only God can soften our hearts towards Him.

People in hell have hard hearts. Pharoh went through (pun intended) hell and his heart never changed toward God.

 

You're probably right. Something like this isn't very fruitful, if you ask me. We both know that no one in hell will ever be afforded the opportunity to begin with. Our fate is sealed the very instant we die, whether we are saved or not.

 

My pastor states that Hell itself has a door locked form the inside, as NONE who went there even want to have a chance to go to heaven!

To paraphrase satan in Miltons paradise lost : beiier to rule in hell than serve in heaven"

The lost go there when judged by God, as he will say to them "Thy will be done"

that is why no chance of saved after death here, as those lost/away from presense of God have decided to have their will get done forever!

 

ONLY place vcan even attempt to get that one can get 'second chance" is in peter letter, and that would be referencing either the HS preaching through Noah to flood generation, or else to when Jesus raised and took Abrahams bosum out from hades to heaven when he ascended!

 

1 cor 15:22 1st pt For as in Adam all die,
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

What all is inclusive in judgement? Let's think about an Inca Indian prior to Columbus. Or maybe that infant before he could "have faith to be born again."

 

Man only comes to God by Him acting first in mans life. Since hell is the absence of Gods work on man, the absolute absence of HIM...man will not, cannot seek Him on their own. They would have no desire apart from Him, and where they are at they cannot get any further from Him

 

No need for me to vote, but I am reading with interest.