Featured A Determinist Question

Learn a new word, would ya?!

 

You call that an answer to "determinism" as defined?! :laugh: All I see is a bunch of your type of "philosophy"...

 

If you look up the verses offered, re-read the story of Joseph, read the article linked with about 200 verses in it...you will not see philosophy..but scripture.

But looks as if you are still not that interested in scripture...so you know what that leaves you to,don't you Benjamin??? I do not have to say it again do I???:laugh::laugh:

 

Is "Determinism" true or not?

Jump right in and answer the question EWF, or is all you got is to drop in to play little Calvy diversion tactic games with all your buddies which can't follow elementary logical principles either so have to resort to engaging personal attacks rather than engaging in real debate...

 

I could offer you 220 verses that discount calvinism right now, but that is not what this tread is about. It is about defining "determinism" not about chasing Icon's rabbit trails. Learn how to debate!

 

Well now....I have no interest in that....if you want to define subjective words,and argue about definitions and such...I have told you before ...email Ravi Zacharias...he likes to go on and on about words and philosophy.

I want to learn more about God and His word.....I did not sign up for the debate team...about words apart from scripture.

As there is not one verse that disproves anything about calvinism...it seems like you will do anything to avoid the truth quoted from isa 46:9-11...

Can you perhaps offer your understanding of how that section does not mean just what it says.....God does whatever he wants to, however he wants to,in any way he wants to....maybe you can tell us how it does not mean what it says:laugh:

just takes that one section...and dazzle us with your ideas!

9Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
11Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

i do not see the psalmist in psalm 119 ...saying the entrance to your word ...leads to rabbit trails...is that verse there? or is the whole psalm about God's word??

 

Then I suggest finding another tread to pedal your dogma and to quit being so childish in interrupting this one with your off topic antics. BTW, I clearly removed any subjectivity from the definiton of "Determinism" and I'm sorry that you obviously not only don't recognize and understand this most elementary principle of debate but apparently in ignorance you reject the whole concept of logical reasoning designed to draw out the "truth" in the meanings of words. I can see how that (truth) would cramp your style but, Icon, this is supposed to be a debate board not a playground for anyone who wants to come along and disrupt a discussion that is not going their way by using any type of devious immature tactics that they can come up with to do so!

 

He does not determine down to the smallest detail.
He could, sometimes he does, but not always, he is Soveregn enough to have the option to neglect to intervene if he so chooses.

 

Is this what Calvinists believe?

 

No, it is not

 

I rather like, enjoy and respect Ravi Zacharias. Along with William Lane Craig, David Jeremiah, Charles Stanley, Andy Stanley......

 

Rz.....goes on and on...I first heard a part of one of his speeches.It sounded interesting...I ordered a few speeches.....while he speaks about many things, I noticed a lack of teaching about Jesus, and the scriptures....he spoke alot, but not using much if any scripture.
Sometime riding around I hear him on bot radio...i will listen sometimes but would rather listen to an expositor.

 

[QUOTEI'm sorry that you obviously not only don't recognize and understand this most elementary principle of debate but apparently in ignorance you reject the whole concept of logical reasoning designed to draw out the "truth" in the meanings of words.][/QUOTE]


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Either that...or I see no value in you going on and on, like a big blowhard writing much and saying nothing...ignoring actual scriptural discussion, like here in this very thread,Ignoring Isa 46:9-11 because you cannot deal with it:thumbs:

No discussion was being disrupted...no one seems interested in your rambling "debate,rules,and style,....except you"

I will pay to see you try and win a soul at the truckstop...lol
I can see you approaching a driver with your usual:


Benjamin;
if x= 19 and you are in sin,would you consider putting t-y in place before considering what I am trying to say to you?

driver:
What in the world are you talking about???

Benjamin,
oh ..see ...that is debate fallacy number 53....you should have known better!!
are you an imbecile?

Driver: yeah right...you can keep that to yourself

Benjamin....you do not want to play by debate rules...i cannot condescend to speak with you...I find this so distasteful...i am going to hold my breath unless you learn these basic debate rules...you ignorant person.

Driver; ....last seen tossing Benjamin upside down, into the dumpster...lol

It does not fly in here...it will not fly out in public....but you will persist,because that is all you have got.

 

Makes me wanna be a truck driver. :thumbs:

 

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Iconoclast, that has to be the dumbest rebuttal you have posted yet. Just admit you cannot take Benjamin up on simple challenge...its quite easy.

 

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Is that what that was, a rebuttal of my argument? :laugh: I thought it was another example of Icon’s immature attempts of explaining to me his fantasy of what a tough guy he and his clan are and expressing how he would like to see some of his lard canned associates to have an opportunity to use their bullying tactics to intimidate me in person. :smilewinkgrin: Apparently, warped imagination is all the Calvinists' got left to answer an ethical debate challenge... :laugh:

 

You should truly learn to quit slinging the pejoratives. It's a habitual practice of yours and is quite disconcerting given your profession.