1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured What about Rom 10:9-10 ?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by savedbymercy, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,058
    Likes Received:
    166
    Rom 10:9-10

    9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    This passage here is not Paul setting forth any conditions man must meet in order to get saved, but merely is he declaring a certain fact, those who receive the Testimony of the Gospel, in this context the jews, shall be saved, in other words, their receiving the Testimony of the Gospel identifies them as those being saved by Christ's Death for them !

    1 Cor 1:18

    For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

    The word saved here is in the present tense, and it is passive voice, those who are being saved or converted by the Preaching of the Cross ! And that is what Paul says that evidences this conversion work in those activities of Rom 10:9-10 , for both Believing and Confessing are evidences of Conversion taking Place by the Power of God, the Gospel Rom 1:16

    16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    believeth here is also in the present tense, meaning believing, they are believing because they are being saved or converted by the Preaching !

    Those who use Rom 10:9-10 in order to set forth a Conditonal Salvation, that is getting saved is contingent upon man's obedience or man's believing and confessing, they are guilty of perverting scripture and promoting a accursed gospel of works ! Gal 1:8-9
     
  2. billwald

    billwald New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2000
    Messages:
    11,414
    Likes Received:
    2
    >9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    True but not useful. Why not? Because one doesn't know if one believes "in thine heart" and doesn't know if another person believes in his heart.

    Further, in those days of anatomical ignorance, "In thine heart" meant "In thine brain (read)" because they thought the heart was the center of being and the brain was a heat radiator. Thus, the statement, "Head knowledge, not heart knowledge," is meaningless.
     
  3. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Apostle paul was stating that the saved will be those who have placed faith in Jesus , and they will be able to believe in jesus in the biblical meaning of that !
     
  4. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,058
    Likes Received:
    166
    You are teaching a False Gospel, a salvation by works Gal 1:8-9
     
  5. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2000
    Messages:
    37,982
    Likes Received:
    137
    Perhaps the same Scripture should be applied to you.
    Any reason not to?
    You cannot explain Eph.2:8,9,
    We are saved through faith. You say faith is a work. The Bible there says that is how we are saved. In the same passage it says we are not saved through works. You have the Bible contradicting itself, not to say that you also believe in a works-based salvation.
     
  6. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Do you have ANY new testament verse that states one can be saved by god apart from faith/belief in jesus as Saviour/Messiah?
     
  7. mandym

    mandym New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,991
    Likes Received:
    0
    You continue to misuse scripture [offensive language edited]
     
    #7 mandym, Apr 25, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 9, 2012
  8. Don

    Don Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2000
    Messages:
    11,048
    Likes Received:
    321
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Now THAT is an excellent question.
     
  9. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,058
    Likes Received:
    166
    dhk

    I already have, that passage is saying the same as Rom 11:5-6 Salvation by being of the Election of Grace ! If you reject the fact that in order for one to be saved, that they must have been part of the Election of Grace, singled out before the world began, Chosen in Christ before the world began, then you do not believe Eph 2:8-9.

    You think you do, but you don't !
     
  10. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,058
    Likes Received:
    166
    I have already shared scripture that all for whom Christ died, that His resurrection gives evidence that they are Justified before God without Faith Rom 4:25

    25Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

    But you do not believe this Truth, and insist on salvation or Justification by works !
     
  11. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,058
    Likes Received:
    166
    You just believe in salvation by works ! And you failed to address the scriptures that I posted in the OP !
     
    #11 savedbymercy, Apr 26, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 26, 2012
  12. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2000
    Messages:
    37,982
    Likes Received:
    137
    Try to understand it again. This time read it more carefully:

    Perhaps the same Scripture should be applied to you.
    Any reason not to?
    You cannot explain Eph.2:8,9,
    We are saved through faith. You say faith is a work. The Bible there says that is how we are saved. In the same passage it says we are not saved through works. You have the Bible contradicting itself, not to say that you also believe in a works-based salvation.


    According to Hebrews 11:6,
    Grace and works do not mix.

    According to Eph.2:8,9.
    Faith and works do not mix.

    Therefore both grace and faith are not works.
     
  13. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,058
    Likes Received:
    166
    dhk

    it is not me that needs understanding of it, but you !
     
  14. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2000
    Messages:
    37,982
    Likes Received:
    137
    Then why can't you explain the Scriptures??
     
  15. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Maybe due to the possibility that he has had his 'revelations" NOT from the Holy Spirit, but another one?
     
    #15 Yeshua1, Apr 26, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 26, 2012
  16. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,058
    Likes Received:
    166
    I have explained plenty of scriptures already, you just reject the Truth ! Rom 10:9-10 is not teaching one must do something to get saved ! It is Teaching what to look for as evidences of genuines conversion, of having been born again !
     
  17. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,058
    Likes Received:
    166
    dhk

    Absolutely, and you teach that one is saved by their work, their act of believing, so you do not believe Eph 2:8-9 You mix grace with work !
     
  18. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2000
    Messages:
    37,982
    Likes Received:
    137
    Faith and works do not mix, but you define faith as a work. Thus you are the one that does not believe Eph.2:8,9. Faith is not a work.
     
  19. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,058
    Likes Received:
    166
    You mix Faith and works. You state that one must do something to get saved, that one must believe to get saved. I have showed you that believing is something man does, a work !
     
  20. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2000
    Messages:
    37,982
    Likes Received:
    137
    The Bible states:
    Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

    I didn't say that; the bible did!
    If you deny the Bible, there is no more hope left.
     
Loading...