Featured No Fear of God before their Eyes !

“But to the wicked God says, "What right have you to tell of My statutes, And to take My covenant in your mouth? For you hate discipline, And you cast My words behind you.
When you see a thief, you are pleased with him, And you associate with adulterers. You let your mouth loose in evil, And your tongue frames deceit. You sit and speak against your brother; You slander your own mother's son. These things you have done, and I kept silence; You thought that I was just like you; I will reprove you, and state the case in order before your eyes.“ (Psalm 50 :16-21).

 

Fear of God is lacking due to a lacking knowledge of God. People who are not committed to knowing His Word do not know Him. These cannot fear Him.

Also, people who see church attendance as an item on a spiritual to-do list or as a social club have entirely missed the point of God's redemptive plan. They too are unable to fear Him.

 

Who made you judge of who are and who are not true believers???

Are you claiming that salvation is determined by ones understanding of the extent and application of the atonement rather than simple repentance toward God and faith in Christ as sufficient Savior???

If so, where and what gospel presented in scriptures contains that exception clause?

Tell me are you a hypocrit? If you are not a hypocrit then tell us how much theology you understood when you first recieved the gospel of salvation?

Tell me, does teaching doctrine come first in the Great Commission or recieving the gospel and being baptized (Mt. 28:19-20).

According to you one must be first taught and understand the proper extent and application of the atonement or they cannot be true believers!!

 

I quoted your own words. Your own words judge you! Here again are your OWN WORDS:

"the false believers say Christ's Death becomes effectual by the sinners receiving of it, whereas True Believers say ones receiving is because Christ Death was effectual!" - SBM


Are you a lying two face hypocrit or are your own words dependable and true concerning what you believe???

According to YOUR OWN WORDS anyone who merely will "SAY Christ's Death becomes effectual by sinners receiving it" are "false beleivers"! So are you not saying by your own words that anyone who merely says this is a false believer???

Are you not saying by your own words here that unless a person is taught particular redemption and confess particular redemption they cannot be a true believer? Hence, only those who first understand and confess particular redemption are "true believers" while all others are "false believers."


You have a real tough time being honest don't you?!!??

 

>One must believe the Gospel to be a believer

Exactly what is the Gospel which I must believe? Does the Apostle's Creed contain sufficient info to function as a list of what one must believe? If not, what is lacking?

 

The question is not whether limited atonement is true or not. The question is must one understand and believe that particular aspect to be a true believer. You claim if a person merely says that the atonement must be applied that that is proof they are "false believer."

I find it very difficult to believe that you are a true believer because you are such arrogant individual. I could say the same thing about you and the fruit of the Spirit! Can anyone with your kind of attitude have the Spirit of God inside of them? What would be the acid test for the Spirit of God inside a person? Wouldn't it be the fruit of the Spirit? Hence, your salvation could be greatly questioned could it not?

 

According to you Jesus was a false preacher because he never stated or explained any of the five points to the woman at the well or to Nicodemus or to the rich young ruler or anyone else.

CH Spurgeon then is a lost man because he was saved at a Methodist chapel without a preacher. A deacon filled the pulpit and simply told him to "look and live" - no limited atonement explained, no unconditional election explained, no total depravity explained, no irresistable grace explained, no perseverance/preservation of the saints explained!

I doubt if you or any preacher in your denomination is saved by your demand that they must be taught and understand all five points of grace before they can be a true believer!

According to your explanation Paul is a false preacher as he summarized the gospel not in five points but in simple words:

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

According to your defintion God is false preacher as God preached the gospel to Abraham in even a shorter sentence "in thee shall all nations be blessed" - Gal. 3:8 - no declaration and explanation of the five points of grace.

The gospel is not the five points of Calvin but the simple truth that you are a sinner and the promise of the Gospel is that Christ will save you from your sins by faith in the cross and his resurrection as completely sufficient.

 

A. Here is proof right from his own mouth to prove I am not making any false accusations:

"Cain was not created in Adam in the beginning...... Cain was out of that generation, and not out of that Generation in Adam ! !" - SBM post #1 (What about Cain Thread)

"This also tells us that cain was never made in the Image of God, only those in Adam were !" - SBM post #17 (What about Cain thread)

"Oh Yes I can, it means cain was not in Adam at Creation. Cain was in the Serpent, not Adam ! Yes, God stated that the serpent had a seed as well as Adam ! Gen 3:14-15" - SBM Post #21 (What About Cain Thread)

"his clearly points out that cain was not of their seed ! Neither is any of the non elect, only the Elect of God sinned in Adam, not the devil's seed ! " - SBM Post #31 (What About Cain Thread).

SBM Argues that Cain cannot be found in this geneology because he was not created "in Adam" and thus his source of sin and death cannot be traced to Adam's sin and death but rather to Satan Himself and is a whole different kind of humanity that Satan created.



B. Readers, look at this rediculous intepretation of Genesis 5 and Adam's geneology by SBM.


Here are the problems with his interpretation of that geneology in Genesis 5 as only the elect of God.

1. No other woman but Eve mentioned in this geneology and so no elect sisters, wives or daughters for 1600 years.

2. Only ONE son is mentioned birthed to all the men who are mentioned, thus none of their daughters or other sons ever a child of God.

3. They had other children even as it is explicitly stated that Adam and Eve had other "sons and daughters" after Seth was born.

CONCLUSION: Were all their wives, daughters and sisters and other sons born in the geneology of Cain?????????????? Think about this! It is such an absurd interpetation that it defies imagination that any rational person could even entertain it without histerical laughter.

If you haven't got it, it would mean Seth's wife had to be born in line of Cain because she is not mentioned in Adam's line just as Cain is not mentioned in Adam's line. It would mean all the other children of Adam and these firstborn men had to be somehow fathered by both the named man and someone from the line of Cain because they are not mentioned by name! Do you get this absolute nonsense????????

This geneology only lists the FIRSTBORN sons and lineage through whom Christ would eventually be traced through and therefore like all other geneologies that Christ would come through only first born sons are named. Only the geneologies given by Matthew and Luke contain women but no other sisters, sons or daughters.

 

Either you beleive what you said or you don't. You said that a person must understand and believe all five points to be a true believer. You said any preacher who does not preach all five points is not a true preacher. Do you want me to quote your words??? Here they are:

If you or any other man, myself included, do not or did not preach Unconditional Election of Grace, Particular Limited Atonement, we have not Preached the Gospel !! - SBM


According to your own criteria Spurgeon and probably yourself and the preachers you associate with are all false believers. According to that criteria Jesus failed to preach the gospel to the woman at the well, the rich young ruler, Zacheaus, etc.

 

I don't deny limited atonement. What I deny is that the preacher must spell out all five points or else the gospel is not preached. What I deny is that the believer must understand all five points and believe all five points in order to be a true believer. By that criteria 1 Cor. 15:3-4 is not the gospel because even in a sumarized presentation where is total depravity mentioned? Where is irresistable grace mentioned. Where is perseverance/preservation of the saints mentioned?

By your criteria you cannot find one time in the scriptues where Jesus preached the gospel.

By your criteria Spurgeon and most likely if you would be honest, you and none ofthe preachers you claim to be gospel preachers were true believers at the time you professed salvation.