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Catholics,Baptists,Birth Control/Pro-Life Issues & Compromise

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Gregory Perry Sr., Feb 12, 2013.

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  1. Gregory Perry Sr.

    Gregory Perry Sr. Active Member

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    The following is an excerpt from another post I made in another thread that I believe was the central idea I was trying to highlight about the Catholic Church and their supposed "pro-life" stance. I just want to re-highlight it for comment here...pro or con...What do we who call ourselves "Bible-Believing" Baptists really believe about these things? This was my opinion based on what I think to be the truth...what is yours? See the following:

    "The following statement I'm going to make is strictly my opinion but I think it has merit from what I know of Catholicism. Their "stance" on birth control and pro-life issues is more than likely because of the apparent "fact" that the catholic "church"is "built" by live births and sustained NOT by evangelistic (soul-winning or proselytizing) in the Biblical model, but rather by prohibiting their parishioners from practicing birth control aside from "natural" so-called rhythm methods. They are, of course prohibited from getting abortions as well. (we obviously CAN thank God for that). They build their "church" by making babies and "raising" their "membership" from the marriage bed.....UP. As far as I know it IS still true that if a non-catholic and a practicing catholic marry, the non-catholic is required to sign a statement that requires that any children born of the union must be raised in the catholic church. It used to be that way and if they have ever changed that I don't know about it. I honestly believe their pro-life "convictions" are more about being self-sustaining as a church body than any scriptural or truly godly respect for life in the Biblical sense.

    Remember....this is the same "church" that gave us the Inquisition and had no qualms about murdering hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of "protestants" who refused to bow to their ungodly edicts and abuses.
    (I'll add this here...correct me if I am wrong...but as far as I know the "Holy Mother Church" has NEVER apologized to ANYBODY for that "Inquisition".Yes/No?)

    Catholicism is a false religion. They hide MUCH behind a false sense of "piety"and all their religious "finery". That is why we shouldn't join hands with them...even on the abortion issue. We should, as Bible-Believers stand against the murderous practice of abortion as well as other unbiblical things such as same-sex marriage,etc......but for sound Biblical reasons. We cannot yoke up with Rome, or Salt Lake City or any other unbiblical group and be right and pleasing to our God. We'll never see revival on any level if we compromise the plain teaching of and adherence to the truth. Nor will any preacher ever win any popularity contests by preaching or teaching the kind of stuff I just said."


    To close this...I know I sound very negative about the Catholic Church and their "religion" but that is because I honestly do believe that their system of belief is a false system that is misleading millions into an unending eternity in the Lake of Fire. It is no more Biblical than islam, hinduism, buddhism, mormons or JW's or any of the countless other isms and schisms in our day. In this opinion and belief I confess to being immovably dogmatic.

    Bro.Greg
     
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  2. ChristianSoldier

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    Pro-Life Anti BC

    Not even to mention the Vatican came clean years ago about open practices of Satanism, their compromise on creation and their tolerance of gay marriage, their open prayer to angels and Mary mother of God... the list goes on.
    My personal beliefs and scripture to back it up are in my latest post "Introduction" if you're interested.
    *Pro-life no exceptions
    *Anti BC according to the commandments given to couples in Gen 1:26-28
     
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  3. Baptist4life

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    :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
     
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    Standing next to a Catholic in a silent "Chain of Life" protest against abortion is no sin. It's not like you're embracing Catholic doctrine or agreeing to become unequally "yoked" with them.

    When it comes to giving Satan a black eye on political/moral issues like abortion, I think we should take all the help we can get, regardless of denomination.

    For those who disagree, would you refuse to take your dying child to a "Catholic" hospital for treatment?
     
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  5. Gregory Perry Sr.

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    Hmmmmmm!

    abcgrad......You actually make a valid point and it does bear thinking about. I will pray about that issue. (the "protest" thing)

    As for the Catholic Hospital thing I have a confession to make in light of my current posts regarding the Catholic church both here and in other recent threads. I live in the Greenville SC area and though we have several large Hospitals here to choose from, the best (by far) is the local Catholic Hospital. I have actually had several surgeries there as have other members of my immediate family. (the other big local hospital seems to have issues with staph infections)(although they have improved that issue in recent years). I would also say that when I was in Bible College at TBC in Jacksonville Fla. back in the early 80's my oldest son was born at the local Catholic Hospital there in JAX. We chose that Hospital over the local Florida Baptist Convention supported hospital in JAX because at the time, they would perform abortions on-demand at the discretion of the attending physicians. Don't know if they still do but they did then. However....if any Catholic "clergy" had ever approached us I would have felt very awkward. Sometimes, in spite of our best efforts and intentions in this world we must make choices that consist of choosing between less than perfect options. Sometimes we can't do that at all and the choice we may have to make will mean that we'd be "demonized" in some sense by our friends and foes alike. That "next world" looks more attractive all the time....AMEN??

    By the way...some folks have the same issue with the Shriners Hospitals for Crippled Children and their Burn Centers.....and those folks never charge a thin dime for any help they offer. Ya just gotta admire them for that.

    Bro.Greg:saint:
     
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    Is this a moderation of your OP position? :smilewinkgrin:

    Our Church members will gladly walk beside a RC on a "Walk for life" (anti-abortion), or a "relay for life" (cancer fund-raiser), or contribute to the same inner-city food bank. We will not participate in any joint teaching or worship services...so our church does not participate in a large combined VBS that is put on by (wait for it, prepare to be amazed): RCC, Presbyterian Church, American Baptist Church, Episcopal church, United Methodist Church. I have no Idea what they actually teach at this VBS, which is supposedly a "community outreach". I assume it basically moralism combined with God loves you.
     
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  7. Zaac

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    I meant to mention it in the other thread that I think you NAILED it!!!:thumbsup:

    The Church has adopted the very unBiblical habit of partnering with and supporting that which is against Jesus Christ just because of issues.

    Issues are fine. But God demands our obedience as a show of love for Him FIRST.

    There is NO excuse for light attempting to partner with or support darkness. NONE!

    We expressed great disdain at the deaths of 9/11. And recently Newtown, Connecticut. Where is the Christian outrage about the Catholic Church disseminating doctrine that could possibly lead a billion plus straight to hell if they died today?

    It's about time that somebody pointed out why in part the Catholic Church is anti-abortion.
     
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  8. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

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    NO and NO and NO.

    GOD has an order and a way that He has told us things are to be done. Jesus Christ can handle satan, political and moral issues. He doesn't need numbers.:laugh:

    ??? Is the Catholic hospital preaching unBiblical doctrine to its patients?
     
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  9. 12strings

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    I'm just wondering if you and/or bro. Greg have any reason for believing it is all, or mostly about replenishing the catholic faith, as opposed to actually being against the murder of unborn babies?
     
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  10. Zaac

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    I still can't see how a Catholic Hospital would be an issue morally unless the hospital is making it a point to advocate something unBiblical. Otherwise you're just going for the healthcare and leaving.

    Now I would ask the question: do the monies from the Catholic Hospitals go back to the Catholic Church or are the hospitals independent entities financially?
     
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  11. Zaac

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    I did say "in part". But I do believe that the strong stance that the CC has always taken about contraception has a LOT to do with growing CC numbers. And it has worked. When you got folks who in no way follow Catholic tradition or anything Catholic but who claim to be Catholic because they were born into a Catholic family and baptized as an infant into the Catholic Church, it becomes evident that in part it has been about increasing their numbers and the breadth of the CC's reach.
     
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  12. Zaac

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    There's a story out of Colorado that I believe sheds some light on the CC when it comes to life. This story seems to point out that the CC only believes life begins at conception when it meets their needs. And one has to wonder what those "needs" are?

     
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  13. 12strings

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    So you basically saying "you believe" that is the reason but cannot share with me a good reason for that belief?

    Lots of people call themselves "Christian" because they grew up in church, even protestant ones...It doesn't mean protestants oppose abortion in order to grow their numbers.
     
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  14. Zaac

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    I just shared with you the belief. It's a quick, sure fire way to grow their numbers. If you have folks identified by the CC as being Catholic simply because they are born and baptized, then it is in part because of numbers. And I believe the story about the lawyers shows that to a degree otherwise they wouldn't allow their lawyers to be arguing that a fetus is not a person.

    Do Protestant churches count people as Protestants just because they've grown up in a Protestant church?
     
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    Southern Baptists do!!! :laugh:
     
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  16. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

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    :laugh: Now quit it.

    We seem to have a penchant for telling them they' re Christians because they say a prayer. But that's a topic for another thread.

    That's one of the reasons I've told SBC churches for yeas to stop "bragging" about the number of baptisms they have done. With the state of many of our churches, one has to wonder if we're not doing the same thing later in life by telling folks to just say a prayer than the Catholics do at birth?
     
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  17. Gregory Perry Sr.

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    Yep!

    Yep!...Zaac...you just NAILED it. And yes...it is a topic for another thread. The title of that thread should rightly be "Easy Believism-The Bane of Modern Day Evangelism"... and unfortunately many of the Independents are just as guilty of that as well. Nuff said here about that I guess.

    Bro.12 Strings...I will be honest and say that my personal beliefs about how and why the Catholics "replenish" their church "rolls" are built upon and based as much on pure logic as much as anything else. Large Catholic families at least used to be more the norm than the exception. Their stance on birth-control issues definitely supports that in practice. They tend to "use" the scriptures more out of convenience than conviction when it suits them. As Baptists and truly born-again Christians we differ in that the Holy Scriptures ARE our only source of binding authority (or should be).

    Bro.Greg:thumbsup:
     
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    Why don't you put this op on a thread where a RC can respond?
     
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  19. Gregory Perry Sr.

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    EWF..I have no problem with that myself. I'll post a similar OP to this one down there when I get home from Prayer Meeting tonight...gotta head out to get there now. Good Idea! But I do want to leave this thread here as well.

    Bro.Greg
     
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    To Any Of Our non-Baptist Friends

    Per/EWF's suggestion there is now a duplicate of this thread down in the "Other Christian Denominations" forum so our non-baptist friends can freely post on this topic without violating the BB rules. I'm still interested in the comments of the Baptists here as well.

    Bro.Greg:thumbsup:
     
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