How did Jesus know and grow here below?

Luke 2:40 And the child (Christ) grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. In Luke 1:15 scripture say's that John Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost even from his mothers womb and in Luke 1:44 John leaped in the womb for joy as soon as he heard Mary voice. I believe that Christ like John already had the Holy Ghost living within himself when he was born because in Luke 2:40 the scripture say's as he grew, he waxed strong in spirit and was filled with wisdom.

 

I didn't take the poll.

Personally I believe He does want us to think on these things even though we cannot absolutely know in this flesh.

Science has taken much of the mystery out of our understanding of our earthly life but no amount of learning can take the mystery out of our spiritual life.

And I believe that is what our father in heaven intends.

For us to try to comprehend and contemplate the mystery of the incarnation and our redemption (among the many other works of our God).

Ecclesiastes 8:17 Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea further; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.​

HankD​

 

Your thread raises more questions than it answers.

Did Jesus know everything imaginable at conception? Or did He set aside His knowledge at conception? Those that say God cannot put things out of His mind must wonder how Jesus grew in knowledge and wisdom.

Next, did Jesus do things that would be considered sin such as wandering off to do His Father's work? It seems obvious if God wants you to do something, then whatever it is, it is not sin. But is this loophole how we consider Jesus sinless? Nope.

 

Jesus assumed human form, becoming FULLy Human, yet while remaining FULLy God also!

So in his humanity, would be as us in knowing/learning/discovering things, as he allowed Himself to take on human flesh, with its iinherit limitations, just as one of us EXCEPT that he had NO sin nature!

So in his humanity, experienced growing just as we all do, but also at same time knew and understood all things as God!

 

Asserting an absurdity is a very common response for ignoring scripture.

If Jesus understood all things as God He did not grow in wisdom. When scripture says one thing and well accepted doctrine says another, we get assertions of absurdity. Oh and "its a mystery."

 

jesus as God knew All things, its justthat while upon the earth, he was also fully man, so he experienced things/learning new things, just as we do!

That is the Incarnation, how God became fully sinless human, yet still stayed being fully God!

 

One of those "eternal questions" which the "church" and christendom has wrestled with since the beginning. We understand somethings, while others remain cloudy in our understanding.

I like John 1:14

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth

 

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It does not bolster an argument to simply repeat the absurdity.

To day Jesus knew all things, yet grew in wisdom is absurd. You cannot bury it under big words like incarnation. When Jesus asked questions or said He did not know things, He was seeking information and not lying.

No need to rewrite the bible and make scripture to no effect to avoid conflict with man-made doctrine.

 

Jesus emptied Himself of 'something' when he came toearth in the incarnation, and that self limitation involved taking on the inherent weakness of being fully human, without a sinful nature!

As a Man, helearned patience, learned obedience, learned and matured...
Howeveryou want to say it, Jesus was fully God, and Fully man!
At the same was always God, so also knew all things still, butdecided NOT to operate as God, but as man here!

 

Whatever it was He was impeccable.

My own gut feeling is He knew from the very beginning.

 

He knew the day He graduated from Bob Jones University. On a serious note, I agree with KyRedNeck, from the beginning or close to it.

 

None of us can know how the Father interacted with His Son, while His Son was in the flesh created in His image. Only very small bits and pieces have been revealed to us through the scriptures.

It's a good question to ponder, IMO. Doing so causes us to look at Jesus both as a man and as God.

Scriptures tell us that God will not put more temptation on us than what we can bear. Scriptures also tell us to grow in maturity in His word. We are to be weaned of milk and seek meat.

Would it not seem likely that those same principles would apply as the Father guided His Son while in the flesh? Just as the Holy Spirit (when we let Him) guides us into greater and greater awareness of our Heavenly Father, as well.

A newborn human baby may have the gift of Einstein's intelligence, the gift of music equal to the greatest composers of the world, and/or other qifts on the same level. That does not mean a newborn is aware of those or has the ability to use them. But they are there, never the less.

A good parent will help nuture those gifts and help bring them into maturity as the child becomes ready to apply them. God may have given us a few glimses of how He was a parent to His Child in the scriptures. One at age 12, another when the dove decended at His baptism. Scripture doesn't record the details of their relationship, at age 5, for example. Nor do we know if His Father revealed all at once or were incremental steps taken. For example at age 12 He knew the scriptures but may not have known He possessed the ability to heal with just a word or touch.

We do know that when Jesus began His ministry that He knew He would be the sacrifice for mankind. Yet, we do not know whether He knew the totality of that until His sweat was like great drops of blood.

All we can do is ponder this question. And ponder it we should because of the implications within our own Parent/child relationship with our Triune God.

 

More denial of scripture does not get it done. Jesus asked questions and said He did not know stuff. Therefore, while incarnate, He learned and grew in wisdom.

Doctrine needs to be based on scripture, not speculation. He knew who He was at age 12. He learned. Therefore He did not know all things about everything while incarnate. Pretty simple.

This should have 100% agreement, but no. Rather it is denied to support errant man-made doctrine.

 

I think as man, and as the second Adam, Jesus grew in the same way the first Adam would have had he not sinned.

 

was Jesus God while upon the earth? can God not know everything or not?