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dishonesty in the church question

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  1. barney07

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    building project. chairman of building and grounds committee is a ordained deacon. he secured three bids. he called third contractor and requested a bid for project on his letterhead. he further advised the contractor that another builder had been awarded the contract and that he just needed a bid higher than a certain amount, higher than the bid submitted by the contractor that was being awarded the contract. project cost less than $100,000.
    if this was a government contract i believe the employee would probably be in jail or out on bail. what is appropriate action in this church situation?
     
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    Barney,
    Glad to have you on board here at BB. You have brought up an intense questions.
    However, it would be great if you first came to the Welcome forum and told us about yourself. I looked at your profile and it was very vauge.

    But to answer you question. First, how did you come about this info? Have you spoken to this deacon about this? Is this common knowledge in the church. Something tells me we do not have enough info to provide a quality answer.

    Salty
     
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    Barney,
    Welcome to BB.

    Have you brought this up to the church administration? If you believe someone has done something possibly illegal, they need to be told, rather than an open forum like this.
     
    #3 Tom Bryant, Sep 2, 2013
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    2 wrongs don't make a right. Not blowing the whistle on a dishonest deacon would be wrong. They are supposed to be setting an example for others. Hold their feet to the fire I say.
     
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    i agree about open forum. i am so upset about the situation i was hoping for support that of all places dishonesty should not be tolerated in the church. this is the reason i registered on this forum.
    church leaders are aware of the situation. seems most want to sweep it under the rug. it will be discussed in next church conference. i believe there should be consequences such as ask dishonest deacon to resign from committee and maybe even ask him to leave the church. this situation happened. facts have been confirmed as accurate.
     
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    If you are looking for support, we would be wrong to give it with just your side of the argument. Sure you sound reasonable, but there is always another side. We do not know you, so how can determine how truthful you are. We might assume you to be telling the truth, but we don't know. We don't know who confirmed the facts.

    Plus, when it comes to an open forum about the situation, I, fo one, would not want to be quoted by you when you say to them, "I talked to a number of pastors and they said ...."

    It's not that we don't want truth to win, but in only presenting your side, we don't really KNOW that this is the truth.
     
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    how do i request this thread be deleted?
     
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    This may have nothing to do with the deacon.


    First, the customer is NOT committed to HAVING to use the cheapest bidder.

    Often the cheap bid may indicate poorer quality work.

    ANY job over $10,000.00 (unless performed by a reputable contractor who does regular work for the church) needs to have a bid process in which comparable bids are made.

    Any bid that is considerably lower than the others (by more than 3 to 4 thousand) needs to be rejected. Consensus on customer cost shows that the contractors have considered the bid and taken all possible matters into consideration. The cheap bid hasn't.

    Now, I have been on both sides of the issue - as a contractor and as one who contracts - I know first hand the dangers of those who accept the cheapest bid.

    Now the question.

    Did the contractor(s) all have the same material spec sheets and parameters for the job - the same bid specs, and the same plans?

    If the bid has a $10,000 discrepancy - somebody has left off some important detail(s) or is using materials out of spec.

    This may not be a "deacon" problem, but a bid problem.

    Perhaps, a withdrawal of all bids needs to occur, and then thorough review process done over the spec manual and plans before rebidding.

    That would prevent any misunderstanding and perhaps legal action by a disgruntled contractor.

    And it may address the needs of the deacon.
     
    #8 agedman, Sep 3, 2013
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    Stay out of it and don't worry about it. If you know, others know.
     
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    At op's request. done and gone.
     
    #10 Dr. Bob, Sep 3, 2013
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