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It’s NONE of My Business!

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Revmitchell, Dec 5, 2013.

  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    I have offended more than one of my good friends by my unwillingness to address certain topics, issues and people through the years. Some have wondered if I lack conviction or am afraid of confrontation. The first is seldom true – I’m a pretty opinionated man, more often described by those who know me as dogmatic (even belligerent) than wishy-washy. The second is a possibility. I do not enjoy conflict and I think the tendency to avoid conflict, while generally a good thing, has been one of my biggest struggles as a pastor.

    But I do not believe that my unwillingness to address certain issues is simply a product of fear of conflict or a lack of principles. There is something more at work in my heart than that, a conviction that I believe is important.

    Let me be specific. I would prefer to address general trends over specifics, but no one who reads this is going to be confused as to the topic. My thoughts here were spurred by the recent hiring Ergun Caner by Brewton-Parker College in Georgia as their new president and the controversy that has ensued. To say that opinion on Caner is divided would be an understatement. Those who oppose Caner do so with a passion that rivals my feelings when the Red Sox or Patriots win. And Caner’s supporters seem to do so without reservation, forcefully striking back against any who question or criticize him.

    I have debated whether putting my opinion of Caner in this post would be productive or counterproductive. I am going to do so, not to open that “Can’er worms” (sorry, horrible pun), but because it will advance the point I am going to make.

    I am convinced by the evidence I have seen that Caner created a mythological life-story, rooted not in truth but in expedience. He made a name for himself based on a false story. I think that, at best, he needs to repent of his in and at worst, he is disqualified from public ministry. I am convinced by the evidence Jason Smathers has put forward that Caner’s story was fraudulent.

    There, I said it. I realize the irony of sharing my opinion in a post in which I will advocate that it is none of my business to do so. But I have a reason. I do not want those I address (and the bulk of this is directed at Caner’s opponents, those who share my opinion), to think I am simply defending Caner. If he was a candidate for the open position of Baptist Convention of Iowa Executive Director, you would hear me squawk (perhaps not on a blog, but at least to the committee!). If he were being hired by LifeWay or NAMB, I would write about it here. If I was a Georgia Baptist, I would have something to say.

    But none of those things are true. Caner and I are not part of the same church. None of my offerings are going to support him or Brewton-Parker College. We are not part of the state convention. Our only connection is that we are part of the same association of autonomous, voluntarily-connected local churches known as the Southern Baptist Convention. That leads me to my thesis.

    Ergun Caner’s presidency at Brewton-Parker College is none of my business.

    - See more at: http://sbcvoices.com/its-none-of-my-business/#comment-215358
     
  2. Revmitchell

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    From the op further:


     
  3. Tom Butler

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    Revmitchell, in the South, another way to state your view is, "I ain't got no dog in that fight."
     
  4. go2church

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    Statement from the college

    http://www.bpc.edu/PresidentialSearch/canerpressrelease.html

    Seems the controversy actually was a reason for his hiring, even called him a "warrior" that the school needed. It may not be our fight, but something tells me the Georgia Baptist Convention will have more to say on the topic.
     
  5. Zaac

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    Rev's OP dovetails into my question about if these bloggers have not been personally wronged, why the demands? Why the viciousness and the seeming desire to destroy a fellow Christian's ability to do ministry?
     
  6. Zaac

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    Why? Liberty University apparently did an independent investigation and didn't find any incidences of Caner deliberately lying.

    I've heard both he and his brother speak, and I fully understand how dates , times and places may get mixed up or just flat affectout wrong.

    His errant background doesn't personally affect these bloggers or anyone publicly. And he seems to have apologized if it did.

    So again, why do they , like attack dogs continue after this man over his background?

    I couldn't tell you the date that I got saved and often times look back at other details of my life and wonder if I have the dates straight. But then I say, it doesn't really matter if I get it wrong. I'll tell it how I remember it and if someone wants to call that into question, well I'm sorry that with a gazillion things on my plate and going through my head that I can't remember perfectly every detail of my adolescence and pre-teen and teen years.


    I can't think of how many folks I know who have worked out timelines of their lives similar to Dr. Caner's so that they could tell their stories only to have an old aunt or grandparent finally come to them one day and say " that's not quite how it happened".

    I'm not saying it justifies a lie, but they've said he didn't do it deliberately. And I can certainly see how with his past how dates and times could be mixed up.

    It just seems trivial and petty at this point to keep hounding him about it.
     
  7. Zaac

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    And I'm going to assume based upon what has been said in the other thread and the above comment that some of the bloggers are not Christians but Muslims and have an axe to grind against Caner.
     
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    Do you really think, considering the size of the GBC, that all have moved on? It doesn't seem likely. Caner is a polarizing figure, the linked article made that abundantly clear.
     
  9. Zaac

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    I think it's apparent that all haven't moved on. They want blood, not repentance. It so reminds me of the folks behind the scenes trying to egg the crowds on to stone people.

    Polarizing or not, the love that God's people are supposed to be known for is certainly not being displayed.
     
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    Hiring someone because of their "star" power is never a good idea.
    This is going to go bad.
     
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