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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Feb 28, 2014.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    As having on going discussion with one who does not see it as essential to being saved by God, but apromise that IF a sinner does as described there by peter, their sins will get remitted them?

    My understanding is that per the greek yext, peter teaching that the baptism into Jesus is that HE is the One that saves and remits our sins, not the water, but what is right way to see this then?
     
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    To understand Peter in Acts 2:38, read 1 Peter 3.
     
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    No. ........
     
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    Yes.

    So do many other passages.
     
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  5. Yeshua1

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    So you are now agreeing with the catholics/lutheryn and Church of Christ?

    So the Gospel of saved by grace alone, thru faith alone no longer applies, so that would mean no longer a baptist than?
     
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  6. convicted1

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    The water baptism is akin to the circumcision of the foreskin in the OT. It was a sign to those who failed to believe they were now serving God.

    Now, to hold this to be an absolute to be saved and w/o being baptized in the water, I don't agree with. It isn't for the putting away the filth of the flesh, but to answer a good conscious to God.
     
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    On the Church of Christ and Baptism thread in Other Denominations forum, I posted this on page 1:


    I think that is the most plausible explanation of what happened in Acts 2
     
    #7 JamesL, Feb 28, 2014
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    They were instructed to be baptized for the forgiveness of sins, or because as believers, regenerated by God they were forgiven, and since forgiven, they should follow in obedience to be baptized. This baptism had no cause in salvation whatsoever, but those who were baptized evidenced that they were the Lord's and were forgiven their sins.

    I've known persons in churches who refused to be baptized, claimed to be believers, but would not take that step of obedience as if it were optional. Note John 10 and especially verse 27. They are disobedient to Christ, and the fact they refused baptism seems to indicate they were and are not actually forgiven.

    But in churches today many are taught their many options within Christianity, to be obedient, or to not be obedient, to be a believer, or, to be a disciple. This is nothing short of pulling into Burger King and 'having it your way'.

    Wonder how many are deceived into hell in this fashion? 'I'll have the belief without obedience, with a side order of absolutely no change of heart or lifestyle, with a 'don't judge me' shake on the side, thank you'.
     
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    He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16:16

    which also after a true likeness doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ; 1 Pet 3:21

    The connection between baptism and being saved is undeniable.
     
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  10. Yeshua1

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    Except that the NT examoples are ALWAYS water baptism done AFTER person received Jesus thru faith, and were already saved now!
     
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    Which means getting wet doesn't do squat, but being baptized in the Holy Spirit -- faith, and faith alone -- saves.
     
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    38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
    40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation.

    You get all worked up over baptism being connected with saved, what about 'save yourselves'? Doesn't that get your drawers in a twist too?
     
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  13. Yeshua1

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    You are not saying the water itself remits your sins, makes you saved, and cleanses all our sins, are you?
     
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    And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38 ESV

    The correct interpretation of this passage rests in what the word "for" means. "For" can mean, "in order to receive," resulting in a yes to your question. It can also mean "on the basis of," resulting in a no to your question.


    “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” (Acts 10:47, ESV)

    Here you have people who have received the Holy Spirit(thus are saved) and then Peter baptizes them.

    So Peter cannot mean in Acts 2 that one has to be water baptized in order to be saved. You are then left with the meaning of "on the basis of."
     
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    Zactly. Thank you. :)
     
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    And "in the name of Jesus Christ?"
     
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    Are you sure you're a Baptist? I've never heard of a Baptist church teaching that baptism is a part of, or has anything to do with, salvation!
     
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    In Acts 8,Philip meets the Ethiopian eunuch and explains the Old Testament scriptures regarding the Messiah.
    The eunuch points out some water and said, "okay, what prevents me from being baptized?"
    Paul told him, "you can if you believe in your heart that Jesus rose from the dead."
    The eunuch replied, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
    Then--and only then--did Philip baptize him.

    Then is Romans 10:9 Confess with the mouth, and believe in Jesus' resurrection.
    And Romans 10:13 Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

    No baptism.
     
    #19 Tom Butler, Feb 28, 2014
  20. TCassidy

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    The problem is that the so-called "Church of Christ" and other baptismal regenerationists don't under stand rather simple English.

    1. I got a ticket for speeding. (Which came first, the ticket or the speeding?)
    2. I got a medal for bravery. (Which came first, the medal or the bravery?)
    3. I got baptized for the remission of sin. (Which came first, the baptism or the remission of sin?)

    Bonus:

    I went to the store for my wife. Did I go to the store to get my wife or did I go to the store because of my wife asked me to?

    Very simple 4th grade level English.
     
    #20 TCassidy, Mar 1, 2014
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