Featured Tony Palmer says Protestant Reformation is dead

Eph. 2:8-10 does not fit with paedobaptism and admixtures of grace and works. Never has, never will.

So, a little more cleaning in the sexual immorality department and everything will be O.K. in Rome?

Probably not.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

Although every Christian denomination claims it believes 'righteousness by faith only' and keeps one day of worship only every week, these two 'Christian principles' are not 100% common among all Christians.

Both Roman Catholics and Calvinists, for example, claim they hold to the doctrine of salvation or righteousness by faith only.
And both Sunday keepers and Sabbath keepers claim they keep the ‘Bible- day’.

So there is division in Christianity even as concerns these two ‘common’ fundamental Christian principles.

What then is it ALL Christians are in TOTAL agreement on?

 

Exercising faith in one's faith and/or keeping days of the week does not make one righteous nor worthy of heaven--"not of works lest anyone should boast." A careful reading of Eph. 2:8-10 will show that even the faith to believe is a gift of God. We have nothing of merit to exercise, but rather are totally depraved, not mostly depraved, totally depraved. Our freewills are totally enslaved to our sin nature. This is a pivotal point in soteriology. It is not possible for one to truly repent until one realizes the totality of depravity. The true meaning of the Grace of God is missed when considered with an admixture of grace and works.

Most of nominal Christianity believes paedobaptism is the first step to salvation. Most of Christendom practices baptizing infants as part of salvation. This is works, works and more works. Now what? See Jude 3.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

Sure, So these are two more things Christianity is split over. You and I believe concerning salvation in total depravity; others do not.

You believe against paedobaptism, I do not even believe in water-baptism, only in the Baptism of Jesus the Anointed. Therefore baptism is become a bone of contention in Christianity.

There is something else though there does not exist a bone of contention in Christianity.

 

<<<Reformation seems to have run out of steam because most of its denominations seem to have little real interest in theological differences. It seems that culture (this is the way we do things) has more influence than historic disagreements over doctrine and dogma.>>>

This o so TRUE!!

This is what now a days has become THE determining factor as HOW TO TRANSLATE THE SCRIPTURES for all the different cultures on earth, so that all MAY COME TO THE SAME FAITH!

And in ONE aspect without a doubt ALL Christianity HAS become UNITED without the smallest visible crack.

As far as the Word of God in the hands of EVERY man, now that I come to think of it, the ideal has been REACHED. Today one would find NO differences even in ostensibly superficial wording and meaning in Scripture whether Turkish, United Kingdom English or American English, Afrikaans or Xosa or WHICHEVER tongue spoken on earth TODAY. (Because of course there is ONE POWER behind all and every Translation published in the age of the "increase in knowledge" since the twentieth century.)

Now in this mode the focus is falling on that SINGLE something there exists NO dividedness in all of Christiandom of our present day -- something that has been the case in a remarkably UNCHANGED situation for centuries and thousands of years.

Yea, if ever there was a binding-together singleness of faith, it has been it. WHAT IS IT? (Not what might it be; IT IS!)

 

I am sorry to say, but Pastor Doug does not seem to grasp where the REAL oneness in Christianity for very long has existed and where in your and my own day the SCRIPTURES HAVE NOW, BEEN CONFORMED so that there shall be NO obstacle in anti-Christ's advance upon THE REAL CHRISTIAN TRUTH. All Christianity will UNITE // already is united against ITSELF AND AGAINST THE TRUTH it supposedly represents ---the truth and the basis of all BIBLE AND GOSPEL truth it supposedly represents.

 

I suppose it depends on your own personal reality. If you believe the Reformation is dead, then you probably attend a church that does not put much stock in the historic truths that were re-discovered during that period. If, however, you attend a church that holds Reformation truths in high regard then you will probably be of a different opinion.

 

The first 'angel' was the witness of the Lamb and the resurrected saints of Revelation 14:1-5.

The second angel's message was that of the first century apostolic Church of Revelation 14:6-7.

The third angel's message was the Reformation of the 15th and 16th centuries UNTIL THE END, Revelation 14:8-13.

Next will be the Son of Man with sickle in his hand upon a cloud coming to reap the earth.... Revelation 14:14-20.

But before the end.... “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before God on the earth”—the Scriptures. “When they shall have FINISHED their Testimony” when “the second woe is past and behold, the third (and last) woe (the Return of Christ) COMETH QUICKLY and the SEVENTH angel sounded.” Revelation 11:4,7,14,15.

“….in the days of the voice of the SEVENTH (and last) angel (near the end) when he shall begin to (finally) sound (that) the mystery of God should be FINISHED … he said: Thou must prophesy AGAIN before MANY peoples and nations and tongues and kings.” Revelation 10:7-11.

 

A dumb observation: holy see and daughters (reformers of Rome) are guilty of persecuting dissenters. The churches of The Lord have always dissented and have never participated in such things. See Book of Acts for the description and mission of: The Way. Foxes Book of Martyrs is another good read.

Now what?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

Rome sees itself as THE only true church, that we are saved/rgenerated by combo package of water Baptism and all the Sacraments of Grace, papacy from God to govern the faithful, ONLY Rome onterpretes bible rightly...

RCC as much a Christian church as Mormons/JW/SDA are!

 

IN WHAT do you SEE, 'perfect harmony' in ALL Christiandom?

There is only one 'doctrine' if you like, or 'aspect' or 'fundamental' ---call it what you like. What is it?

 

No harmony expected: See Jude 3, then the whole letter.

One doctrine: Eph. 2: 8-10.

There are two basic kinds of Christians: nominal and true disciples. The nominal are the religious powers that be; the true have been persecuted since the beginning--mostly by the nominal. Yep, Christians killing Christians. How can this be? The religions of this world hate Jesus and His disciples.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

NONE in Christiandom, as that has BOTH the whaeats/tares in it, among TRUE Christianity, the one essential truth is "Jesus is the Lord!"

 

A good answer. and true indeed.

Nevertheless there is one WICKEDNESS in which the whole of Christianity // Christiandom believes and acts AS ONE: and that is the false basis of its WHOLE life on the LIE that the First Day of the week was the day on which Jesus rose from the dead.

There is and has been NO recognised dissenting or objecting voice, ever.

 

So ... Jesus' resurrection was not on Sunday? Oh-kay ...

 

Sabbath day given to isreal, NO NT support that it was passed along to those of us now under the new and better Covenant!

 

I don't see your persistent question as germane to the title of this thread:

Tony Palmer says Protestant Reformation is dead

Please stop trying to derail this thread.