Featured Some strong hard evidence for The Mark of the Beast

I agree with Old Regular and would like to add something for consideration. The number 6 in the scriptures relates to man. One particular man who is our Daddy Adam. The first man was of the earth earthy and sinned with his wife Eve and brought death upon all the family of man. In Adam ALL DIE!
So why 3 sixes... I believe that each of those sixes represent not only opposition to God but according to Gods sixth commandment of thou shalt not kill a mindset and activity of sinful man. Led by none other than Satan himself and his angels. Does the command thou shalt not kill only apply to men killing men. Does it not also apply to men denying that God does not exist thereby killing their Creator.

6. God does not exist... You have no God/Father Creator you evolved.
6. God did not send his Son Jesus Christ into the world to save you from your sins and die on a cross and was raised from the dead and went to Heaven and because of that sacrifice you will live in eternity with him. Jesus and Heaven are a myth when you die its over and you cease to exist.
6. Since Jesus Christ did not come he did not send the Holy Spirit. There have been many beliefs down though out history and Christianity is just another sect among those that have come before and he is only another one among the many gods they worshipped. He is in the ethereal plain dwelling with all the other gods. Put all the sixes together they deny the Triune Godhead the 3 in one... God The Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. IMHO.
II Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say... And the Lord giveth thee the understanding inn all things.

 

The Beast though is a person who receives worship due for God, so how can that be as you describe it?

he is also called man of Sin, the Antichrist, and he was NOT alive during the time of the First century!

 

Did you actually read the closing sentences?

There's nothing in there trying to make anyone disbelieve Revelation; in fact, the final sentences exhibit the author's apparent belief in the prophetic nature of the book.

If you really think it's hogwash, then please provide specifics.

 

And none of them are experts in apocalyptic literature... just experts in their own system of theology.

 

Lahaye is scholarly??? Laughable.

Johny Mac is not the end all be all of Calvinism. And I would hardly call a 224 page book a deep read.

As it turns out, I like JMac. I'm a fan of his Gospel According to Jesus book.

 

Maybe we should also read some articles on the symbolic nature of Rev. Try Beale's article on symbolism in Rev.

BTW... the point of the genre apocalyptic is not to be read literally. That is why you need to study the genre. Until you get that, you'll never get Rev. Christians in the last 2 centuries are the only ones who have mucked up this ancient literature w/ literalism.

 

To clarify, the text does not say 6-6-6 but six hundred and sixty six. They didn't think in numerals like 666. So this is likely gematria of a name... Caesar Nero is the most likely.

 

No argument here:thumbsup:

 

Thank you:thumbs::sleeping_2:

 

As Beale's article points out, Rev precludes a symbolic understanding not a literal one. That, and the genre requires that as well.

I'm not gung-ho on the historical-grammatical approach b/c the apostles often departed from that. It is not just "prophecy" that I read figurally. I read all Scripture messianically (typologically and narratively).

 

This would actually be a literal reading of the mark of the beast referring to a name of a man. This is taking what we know was historical (gematria) and applying it to the context. You are the one allegorizing it to be some kind of computer chip or something.

 

Better written? I'm not even going to ask your criteria to determine that. I'll just say that I"m a huge Beale fan. But Aune is good as well. If you notice, those two have written the top 2 commentaries on Rev. Perhaps both their voices should be heard equally.

 

Were you there? Do you have first hand knowledge?

As I recall history shows the early Church endured severe persecution at the hands of the Jews initially and then the Roman Empire.

 

Earlier I posted the ten worst tragedies in History. Perhaps a little more history is in order for some:

The first major persecutor of the Church and individual Christians was the Roman Empire. Severe persecution began under Nero, continued under Domitian [81-96 AD], Trajan [98-117 AD], and intermittently thereafter until the time of Constantine. The most severe persecution of the Church began under the reign of Diocletian in 303 AD and lasted until 311 AD. Schaff [Volume 2 History of the Christian Church, page 68] describes one particular act of persecution under Diocletian in which one can readily see the fulfillment of John’s prophecy regarding those who do not wear the mark of the beast [Revelation 13:17], as follows:

No implants but?????????

 

It is all irrelevant. Jesus predicted that their would be wars and rumors of wars. Peter wrote to Christians who were suffering persecution, as did the writer of the book of Hebrews.
It is the will of God that Christians suffer (Phil.1:29).

The Great Tribulation is not about Christians.
It is about the wrath of God being poured out on the ungodly and wicked of this earth; against the kings, the merchants, the rich, etc. It is God's wrath against those who would have been the persecutors of the Christians. But the Christians won't be there. They will have been raptured. Read the Book of Revelation carefully. Which groups of people suffer the most? Not the Christians (if you can identify any).

Innocent III carried out a crusade against the Albigenses, and tried to exterminate them all--an act of horrible genocide. Persecution? Yes. But that is not the wrath of God, as described in THE TRIBULATION.

 

Probably worthwhile to post the following again. Just to keep things in perspective.