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Featured Ukrainian Soldier Explains Why He Enjoys Killing Russians

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    Mariupol Attack- Motive, Method and Madness- Demand Justice for Kiev’s War Crimes

    The UN is calling the attack on Mariupol a War Crime. Now that the evidence is pointing to Kiev will the UN show enough conscience to pursue it?

    Motive, method, and opportunity are the key facts needed to establish guilt in any criminal trial. In a shooting murder when you add in ballistics that locates the weapon to the shooter, its called a slam dunk, case closed. When known criminals with heavy weapons are willing to brag publicly on prime-time news that they are about to murder someone, and after the fact go on record about how much joy this event brought them- its time to call SWAT (Special Weapons And Tactics group).

    The attack in Mariupol came after Ukraine failed twice in one week to get a UN and Western government declaration that DNR (Donetsk People’s Republic) and LNR (Lugansk People’s Republic) are terrorist entities. Is the third time the charm? Ukraine thinks so.

    Before delving into the evidence, look at who doesn’t benefit. Benefit is a key factor in determining motive.

    The militia near Mariupol is comprised of local city residents. Like soldiers in Donetsk and Lugansk, the city is their home town. Its where there family and friends live. Its where they grew up, went to school, and work. Their own children go to school there. Is there a benefit to firing rockets at your own neighbors and family?

    Opportunity

    Read More At: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/mariupol-attack-motive-method-madness-un-demand-justice-war-crimes.html
     
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    In Case You Missed It

    The Chief of Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, General Viktor Muzhenko, is saying, in that news-report, which is dated on Thursday January 29th, that the only Russian citizens who are fighting in the contested region, are residents in that region, or of Ukraine, and also some Russian citizens (and this does not deny that perhaps some of other countries’ citizens are fighting there, inasmuch as American mercenaries have already been noted to have been participating on the Ukrainian Government’s side), who “are members of illegal armed groups,” meaning fighters who are not paid by any government, but instead are just “individual citizens” (as opposed to foreign-government-paid ones). General Muzhenko also says, emphatically, that the “Ukrainian army is not fighting with the regular units of the Russian army.”

    In other words: He is explicitly and clearly denying the very basis for the EU’s sanctions against Russia, and for the U.S.’s sanctions against Russia: all of the sanctions against Russia are based on the falsehood that Ukraine is fighting against “the regular units of the Russian army” — i.e., against the Russian-Government-controlled-and-trained fighting forces.

    http://www.infowars.com/ukrainian-government-no-russian-troops-are-fighting-against-us/
     
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    From the start of the Ukraine crisis in fall 2013, the New York Times, the Washington Post and virtually every mainstream U.S. news outlet have behaved as dishonestly as they did during the run-up to war with Iraq. Objectivity and other principles of journalism have been thrown out the window. The larger context of both Ukrainian politics and Russia’s role has been ignored.

    Again, it’s all been about demonized “bad guys” – in this case, Ukraine’s elected President Viktor Yanukovych and Russia’s elected President Vladimir Putin – versus the “pro-Western good guys” who are deemed model democrats even as they collaborated with neo-Nazis to overthrow a constitutional order.

    Again, the political is made personal: Yanukovych had a pricy sauna in his mansion; Putin rides a horse shirtless and doesn’t favor gay rights. So, if you raise questions about U.S. support for last year’s coup in Ukraine, you somehow must favor pricy saunas, riding shirtless and holding bigoted opinions about gays.

    Anyone who dares protest the unrelentingly one-sided coverage is deemed a “Putin apologist” or a “stooge of Moscow.” So, most Americans – in a position to influence public knowledge but who want to stay employable – stay silent, just as they did during the Iraq War stampede.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/01/30/group-thinking-the-world-into-a-new-war/

    And in case you missed it again . . .

    The Chief of Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, General Viktor Muzhenko, is saying, in that news-report, which is dated on Thursday January 29th, that the only Russian citizens who are fighting in the contested region, are residents in that region, or of Ukraine, and also some Russian citizens (and this does not deny that perhaps some of other countries’ citizens are fighting there, inasmuch as American mercenaries have already been noted to have been participating on the Ukrainian Government’s side), who “are members of illegal armed groups,” meaning fighters who are not paid by any government, but instead are just “individual citizens” (as opposed to foreign-government-paid ones). General Muzhenko also says, emphatically, that the “Ukrainian army is not fighting with the regular units of the Russian army.”

    In other words: He is explicitly and clearly denying the very basis for the EU’s sanctions against Russia, and for the U.S.’s sanctions against Russia: all of the sanctions against Russia are based on the falsehood that Ukraine is fighting against “the regular units of the Russian army” — i.e., against the Russian-Government-controlled-and-trained fighting forces.

    http://www.infowars.com/ukrainian-go...ng-against-us/

    How are ya doin there CMG haven't heard from ya in this thread for a while. Are you still out looking for that evidence that proves Russia invaded Ukraine?

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=92615

    At this point someone might think that one of the people who called me a “Putin lover” and a “stooge of Moscow” (y'all know who you are) would be man enough to come forward and apologize about now.

    I'm not going to hold my breath. :type:
     
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    Russian TV Network Reports Ukraine Bombing Civilian Targets with NATO Munitions.

    A Russian television news network, Life News, claims the Ukrainian military is using NATO ordnance in eastern Ukraine.

    The report filed last week outside Horlivka, also known as Gorlovka in Russian, in the Donetsk Oblast shows a deputy brigade commander of the Donetsk People’s Republic with remains of a suspected M109 howitzer shell.
    The report was aired prior to the arrival of Secretary of State John Kerry in Kiev on Thursday.

    The Obama administration is reportedly debating if the United States should directly provide military assistance to the coup government that took power last February.

    “I very much incline in that direction because I think we need to support the Ukrainians in defending themselves,” said Ashton Carter, Obama’s nominee for defense secretary.

    Carter, a former Goldman Sachs adviser and member of the Council on Foreign Relations, is currently facing Senate confirmation hearings.

    Earlier this week, Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said the humanitarian situation in eastern Ukraine is becoming untenable for millions of people, according to EurActiv, a European Union news agency.

    “Corpses lie on the road, nobody takes them away anymore. People have psychosis, they are afraid to leave the cellar. There is no water, electricity or gas… people have no opportunity to prepare meals or wash their children. They’re melting snow to get water to drink,” a refugee from Debaltseve, a city in the Donetsk Oblast, told ABC News on Friday.

    Continue . . . http://www.prisonplanet.com/russian-tv-network-reports-ukraine-bombing-civilian-targets-with-nato-munitions.html
     
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    The Fallujah Option for East Ukraine

    “I want to appeal to the Ukrainian people, to the mothers, the fathers, the sisters and the grandparents. Stop sending your sons and brothers to this pointless, merciless slaughter. The interests of the Ukrainian government are not your interests. I beg of you: Come to your senses. You do not have to water Donbass fields with Ukrainian blood. It’s not worth it.”

    — Alexander Zakharchenko, Prime Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic

    Washington needs a war in Ukraine to achieve its strategic objectives. This point cannot be overstated.

    The US wants to push NATO to Russia’s western border. It wants a land-bridge to Asia to spread US military bases across the continent. It wants to control the pipeline corridors from Russia to Europe to monitor Moscow’s revenues and to ensure that gas continues to be denominated in dollars. And it wants a weaker, unstable Russia that is more prone to regime change, fragmentation and, ultimately, foreign control. These objectives cannot be achieved peacefully, indeed, if the fighting stopped tomorrow, the sanctions would be lifted shortly after, and the Russian economy would begin to recover. How would that benefit Washington?

    It wouldn’t. It would undermine Washington’s broader plan to integrate China and Russia into the prevailing economic system, the dollar system. Powerbrokers in the US realize that the present system must either expand or collapse. Either China and Russia are brought to heel and persuaded to accept a subordinate role in the US-led global order or Washington’s tenure as global hegemon will come to an end.

    Continue . . . http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/06/the-fallujah-option-for-east-ukraine/
     
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    Osce boss says arming kiev coup regime a bad idea

    Faced with increasing pressure by Senator Ted Cruz of Texas and other members of Congress to take a more active role in the conflict in Ukraine, Lamberto Zannier, secretary-general of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, said he is worried U.S. lethal aid will exacerbate the conflict.

    Liberal media makes argument for lethal aid.

    “It may even lead down the line to more direct intervention of Russia in this conflict… Our objective remains that of de-escalating, so I think really the effort should continue to focus on that,” Zannier said at the Munich Security Conference.

    “This carries a risk with it, and the risk is that this will strengthen a narrative we are seeing already appear on the side of the separatists, that they are fighting a war against Nato and against the west,” Zannier told the Guardian during an interview in Munich.

    “And if armaments appear from those countries on the Ukrainian side, that will strengthen that narrative and might even push the Russians to take a more direct role in the conflict, because it might push Russia to see itself somehow threatened.”

    He said the OSCE has not actually observed Russian weapons crossing over into Ukraine, although he believes Russia is arming the opposition in eastern Ukraine.

    “What we see is that as weapons get destroyed during the military operations… on the separatists’ side they always seem to have new weapons at hand,” he said.

    The United Nations concluded in July there is little hard evidence Russia is arming the opposition.


    < snip >

    In February of last year the democratically elected government of Viktor Yanukovych was overthrown in a coup supported by the U.S. State Department. (based on the evidence not the propaganda)

    Read More At: http://www.infowars.com/osce-boss-says-arming-kiev-coup-regime-a-bad-idea/

    Oh and in case you missed it . . .

    The Chief of Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, General Viktor Muzhenko said . . . “Ukrainian army is not fighting with the regular units of the Russian army.”
     
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    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Norway is determined not to send any weapons to Ukraine, Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg said Wednesday.

    “Norway has clear rules concerning weapons. We are committed to the conflict being resolved not with weapons, but with negotiations and diplomacy,” Solberg told the VG newspaper.

    The US Congress recently pushed to provide weapons to Kiev-led forces, which have been fighting independence supporters in Ukraine’s southeast since April last year. US President Barack Obama has yet to make a decision on the issue.

    Meanwhile, a number of European countries have rejected the proposal, saying that an influx of weapons into the conflict-torn country would not help solve the crisis.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150211/1018114016.html#ixzz3RSshoEFH
     
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    In the journalistic world of Russian "annexations" and "aggression" in Ukraine, most of the key events of the past year that have truly caused the political crisis are made to disappear, as if by magic:

    The right-wing government that came to power in February following the overthrow of President Victor Yanukovych proposed a sharp rupture of Ukraine's existing political and economic ties with Russia in favour of association with austerity Europe and dependence on the IMF for government financing.

    The overthrow of Yanukovych was spearheaded by the cadre of the parties and paramilitary militias-in-formation of the extreme right. The extreme right paramilitaries have served as the shock troops of the war in the east because many of Ukraine's conscript soldiers have been reluctant to kill or be killed.

    The "Anti-Terrorist Operation" launched in April was Kyiv's response to the demands of the populations in the east and south of Ukraine for more political autonomy, election of provincial governors and a halt to the rush into association with Europe (including the deep cuts to social services and to price supports for essential items that the IMF has demanded from the outset).

    The people of Crimea were attached to Ukraine by a bureaucratic decision of the Soviet Union 60 years ago. Crimea became an autonomous region of Ukraine with its own regional, elected assembly. Decades later, it was the elected assembly that decided to organize the March referendum and a large majority of Crimeans voted to secede.

    The government in Kyiv, located in modern and democratic Europe, has for the past six months been shelling and bombing the towns and cities of eastern Ukraine, including, as uncovered by Human Rights Watch and the New York Times, the use of cluster weapons. The bombings are destroying life support systems such as electricity, water, home heating, sanitation and communication. Kyiv has cut banking services, delivery of medical supplies and social service payments to the people of Luhansk and Donetsk.

    Poof! All gone from the news. Such are the strident biases framing the entirety of coverage of Ukraine by mainstream media in the West. All of the above and much, much more is simply "disappeared" from the news and from political discourse.

    http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/28119-the-blame-russia-mainstream-media-chorus-over-ukraine-as-viewed-from-canada#
     
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    Draft Dodging Growing Concern in Ukraine During Ongoing (alleged) Russia Conflict (evidently ABC news wasn't listening to the Chief of Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, General Viktor Muzhenko when he said . . . “Ukrainian army is not fighting with the regular units of the Russian army.”)

    Ukraine recently announced a fourth wave of mobilization, which is supposed to recruit about 50,000 men, ages 25 to 60, to replace soldiers who have been serving in a war zone in the east of the country.

    Victor’s friend, a 50 year old painter, who did not want to give his real name, said his family wants him to leave the country to avoid the order.

    "I am doing everything not to go to the army, I am sleeping at my wife’s uncle’s house, but I have nowhere to go abroad. I do not want to fight, everyone is trying not to fight. Nobody wants to die for corrupted politicians in this regime or for this wretched Donetsk!”

    Ukrainian military prosecution has launched some 1,300 criminal cases with prison terms for draft dodging that can range from two to five years.

    Ruslan Kotsaba, an Ukrainian journalist and an outspoken campaigner against the draft, was arrested last week in his hometown in western Ukraine. In his recent video address to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, Kotsaba claimed he would rather spend up to five years in jail for draft dodging than start killing his “fellow citizens who live in the east."

    Now, Kotsaba actually faces up to 15 years behind bars, because SBU, the Security Service of Ukraine, has accused him of state treason and obstruction to activity of military forces. According to SBU advisor Markian Lubkivsky, SBU found evidence of Kotsaba’s crimes among his belongings.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/draft-dodging-growing-concern-ukraine-ongoing-russia-conflict/story?id=28893759

    His crime? Not wanting to kill other Ukrainians for a corupt Washington backed coup regime so it can secure a 17 billion dollar loan from the IMF.
     
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    Congress Ramps Up $1 Billion in Lethal Aid to Ukraine “To End the Conflict”

    Up until now, on the record at least, all aid military and otherwise that the US has sent to Ukraine has been more in the vein of non-aggression.

    Lethal aid is a line that has not been crossed yet, and for good reason. By all accounts, if the US were to lethally arm the Ukrainian government that it put into power over there, it would send a clear signal to Russia that America wants a full-blown war.

    In fact, just days ago, Obama said that lethal weapons weren’t ruled out, and top Russian MP and close friend of Putin, Alexi Pushkov, warned the European Parliament that if the United States supplied lethal weapons to the Ukrainian government, it would not only undermine the whole European security system but would result in ‘all out war.’

    Now that’s exactly what new legislation introduced in the US House aims to do, to the tune of one billion dollars.

    “The Secretary of Defense is authorized, in coordination with the Secretary of State, to provide assistance, including training equipment, lethal weapons of a defensive nature, logistics support, supplies and services, and sustainment to the military and national security forces of Ukraine, through September 30, 2017,” Tuesday’s legislation read. “To carry out the provisions of this act there are authorized to be appropriated $1,000,000,000. Amounts authorized to be appropriated under this subsection are authorized to remain available until September 30, 2017.”

    The bill, introduced by Representatives Adam Smith and Mac Thornberry, both members of the House Armed Services Committee, aims to secure Ukraine’s “sovereign territory against foreign aggressors,” and defend Ukrainians from attacks by “Russian-backed separatists,” according to the legislation. Additionally, the bill calls for having a negotiated settlement to “end the conflict” in Ukraine. (source)

    It seems the west is hell-bent on war.

    Continue . . . http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/congress-ramps-up-1-billion-in-lethal-aid-to-ukraine-to-end-the-conflict_02112015
     
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    Guess Who Peddled 7-Year Old Photos of a Different Country As If They Show a Current Russian Invasion of Ukraine?

    How Blatant Can the Propaganda Get?

    Senator Inhofe was duped into presenting photographs that were up to 7 years old – some of which were taken within the nations of Georgia, Ossetia and Russia – as showing a current Russian invasion into Ukraine.

    Who misled the good Senator?

    Take a wild guess:

    “The Ukrainian parliament members who gave us these photos in print form as if it came directly from a camera really did themselves a disservice. We felt confident to release these photos because the images match the reporting of what is going on in the region. I was furious to learn one of the photos provided now appears to be falsified from an AP photo taken in 2008.”

    How blatant can the propaganda get?

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/ukraine-busted-pretending-old-photos-russian-tanks-rolling-ukraine.html

    Ukraine crisis: Fierce fighting after Minsk peace deal

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31449981

    The only way that U.S. President Barack Obama can win in Ukraine now is by negotiating subsequent details to become deal-breakers to the February 12th draft agreement, such that for Russian President Vladimir Putin not to accept Obama’s proposed details would mean that no deal will be signed. This could happen, because the prestige of both leaders is on the line in this new draft deal on Ukraine.

    The agreement is only basic principles, which can be found at

    http://en.cyplive.com/ru/news/lider...s-mer-po-vypolneniyu-minskih-soglasheniy.html

    The announcement of the agreement opens as follows:

    “Russian President Vladimir Putin; President of Ukraine, Peter Poroshenko; French President Francois Hollande; and Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany Angela Merkel, confirmed full respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine. They firmly believe in the inevitability of peaceful resolution.”

    U.S. President Barack Obama is not mentioned there; but, for him to reject their deal, and to send lethal weapons to Ukraine now and so escalate the war and its massive bloodshed — which has already cost “up to 50,000” dead and millions of refugees — would be extremely embarrassing for the United States: no American “boots on the ground,” just tens of thousands of Ukrainian corpses under it, in a war that Obama himself had initiated (and even the founder of Stratfor, the “private CIA” firm, says that the February 2014 overthrow of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, which started the war, was “the most blatant coup in history,” which it certainly was, and is increasingly recognized as having been).

    Read More At: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/putin-wins-obama-loses-draft-plan-ukraine.html

    BBC airs Maidan fighter admitting he fired on police before Kiev massacre

    http://rt.com/news/231775-bbc-maidan-shooting-started/
     
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    The Minsk Peace Deal: Farce Or Sellout?

    Paul Craig Roberts

    Judging by the report on RT http://rt.com/news/231667-minsk-ceasefire-deal-breakup/

    I conclude that the Ukraine peace deal worked out in Minsk by Putin, Merkel, Hollande, and Poroshenko has little chance of success.

    As Washington is not a partner to the Minsk peace deal, how can there be peace when Washington has made policy decisions to escalate the conflict and to use the conflict as a proxy war between the US and Russia?

    The Minsk agreement makes no reference to the announcement by Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, commander of US Army Europe, that Washington is sending a battalion of US troops to Ukraine to train Ukrainian forces how to fight against Russian and rebel forces. The training is scheduled to begin in March, about two weeks from now. Gen. Hodges says that it is very important to recognize that the Donetsk and Luhansk forces “are not separatists, these are proxies for President Putin.”

    How is there a peace deal when Washington has plans underway to send arms and training to the US puppet government in Kiev?

    Looking at the deal itself, it is set up to fail. The only parties to the deal who had to sign it are the leaders of the Donetsk and Lugansk break-away republics. The other signers to the Minsk deal are an OSCE representative which is the European group that is supposed to monitor the withdrawal of heavy weapons by both sides, a former Ukrainian president Viktor Kuchma, and the Russian ambassador in Kiev. Neither the German chancellor nor the French, Ukrainian, and Russian presidents who brokered the deal had to sign it.

    Read More At: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/12/minsk-peace-deal-farce-sellout-paul-craig-roberts/

    IMF announces $17.5bn bailout deal for Ukraine

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/imf-announces-175bn-bailout-deal-for-ukraine-10041251.html

    That's how you take control of a government. Loan it money it can never hope to repay.

    And you all thought colonialism was dead.
     
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    In all honesty he probably likes to kill Russians before they kill him.
     
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    Where's your pet monkey? Thought he did all your talking for you now.
     
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    I already let you play with him once today. So go play with Paul Craig Roberts, whoever he is. Must be a conspiracy theorist or akin to one!
     
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    So when did the definition of conspiracy theorist change?

    A conspiracy theorist used to be someone that made allegations without providing any evidence to support them such as what you and CMG have been doing.

    And now that the definition of conspiracy theorist has changed I guess we're also supposed to believe that it's rational and mature to have a monkey do your talking for you when you can't provide evidence to support your as yet unfounded allegations.

    This is an eerily Orwellian turn of events to say the least. The lie has become the truth and evidence to the contrary has become something to be avoided and despised.

    Something ain't right here . . . hmmm . . .

    I think I might know what the problem is. You guys (OR and CMG) are still using the old fashioned tin foil to make your hats aren't ya? You need to switch to Reflectix and tune your antenna past 2.4 GHS, if you don't any monkey with a tv remote can take control of your mind. :laugh:

    Attn readers. Do you see what OR and CMG are doing?

    They've swallowed the false narrative about the "Russian invasion" of Ukraine hook line and sinker and now even though they are up to their ears in evidence that proves Washington and the corporate media have been lying about the whole thing from the get go they still prefer the big lie to the truth.

    They've used all the tricks they've learned from watching the corporate tv talking heads to demonize me and the sources I have used which include sources they themselves called "credible" once upon a time. They've accused me of siding with the enemy, an old Goering/Goebbels trick called the "guilt by association" fallacy which apparently is CMG's favorite.

    They've even sicked their pet monkey on me until the poor little critter got all tuckered out.

    They've done all this and repeated it several times now but there is something still lacking.

    They haven't provided any evidence at all to support their allegations and beliefs. They've had a whole year and plenty of opportunities to do just that but they haven't.

    A normal rational mature person might look at that say "hey all the evidence is against us so maybe we're wrong about this whole affair after all", but not these guys.

    Oiy! Talk about living in an Orwellian twilight zone.
     
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    Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes

    Groups of right-wing Ukrainian nationalists are committing war crimes in the rebel-held territories of Eastern Ukraine, according to a report from Amnesty International, as evidence emerged in local media of the volunteer militias beheading their victims.

    Armed volunteers who refer to themselves as the Aidar battalion “have been involved in widespread abuses, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions”, Amnesty said.

    http://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604
     
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    Kiev accuses Russia of sending more tanks to east Ukraine

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/20/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0LO13420150220

    WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!

    How many "sightings" does this make now? I lost count.

    "Kiev to Obama Kiev to Obama . . . the Russians are coming . . . the Russians are coming . . . send more money and weapons . . . repeat . . . send more money and weapons . . . don't foget to send more money and weapons . . . repeat . . . don't forget to send more money and weapons . . ."

    The German magazine “Focus” described three possible scenarios for further development of the events in Ukraine.

    Poroshenko’s army has little chance to control the Eastern Ukraine as it is too weak to rebuff militias’ attacks, the German magazine “Focus” reported.

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150221/1018583624.html

    Kagan + Nuland: Liberal Interventionists

    Why is Victoria Nuland reliably confrontational and antagonistic toward Russia? Why does she push power, force, and military might to the forefront in Ukraine? Why does she risk war with Russia? Why does she even care about Russia’s relations with Ukraine enough to inject the U.S. government into their affairs and conflicts?

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/kagan-nuland-liberal-interventionists/

    US Senator James Inhofe has authored a bill to arm Ukraine with ‘lethal military aid’ against pro-Russian separatists.

    He based his pro-war stance on photos that purport to show Russian troops crossing the border, but the photos later were exposed as a hoax. They were taken several years ago and at a different location. Inhofe is not deterred, however, and insists the US should engage in a proxy war with Russia.

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/us-senator-james-inhofe-has-authored-a-bill-to-arm-ukraine-with-lethal-military-aid-against-pro-russian-separatists/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8C4AIFgUg
     
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    OldRegular Well-Known Member

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    The answer is obvious to those who are not blind: He probably likes to kill Russians before they kill him.

    And quit rolling your eyes poncho, you know it is the truth.

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  20. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    The truth is you can't recognize the truth. Even when it's staring right at you from these pages. You know I'm right but you can't bring yourself to admit it.

    That's why you have to keep relying on using stupid pet tricks instead of looking at the evidence. If you looked at the evidence it might destroy your false paradigm.

    I bet the prospect of that even your scares your little monkey. :laugh:
     
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