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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, May 23, 2016.

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  1. Salty

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    Rec this from a Baptist friend of mine:

    1. The Dali-Bama's recent unlawful directive regulates any business with fifteen or more "employees" to provide toleration for workplace co-ed bathrooms.
    2. DeNausio (mayor of NY) now states that the state of NY will fine any business that does not use gender neutral terms in their day to day operations.

    1. Ok. What about (c) 3 churches? If they have more than 15 employees are they going to bow?
    2. What about churches in NY that pass out any gospel tracts or may be on the radio or some other form of public media? Will they conform to the high and holy "diana" using gender neutral terminology?

    3. When the preachers of the gospel sign up for the (c) 3 "benefit" (US Supremes) they PROMISE/VOW/COVENANT with the state and the fed to espouse fed public policy. If they don't after they sign, then they are involved in a huge lie!

    Thoughts:
     
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    #1. As far as I know, Obama's directive does not involve businesses, only public schools. I don't see how Obama could instruct businesses about co-ed bathrooms.

    #2. I don't understand how the mayor of NYC can articulate NY state policies.

    #3. I presume this is about 501(c)(3) organizations. As far as I know there is no obligation on the part of charitable organizations to "espouse federal public policy".

    In short, I think your friend's allegations are all wet.
     
    #2 InTheLight, May 23, 2016
  3. Salty

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    In essence I agree with you- just one thing to consider - NY City has about 1/2 of the States population thus 1/2 of the NY State Assembly and Senate. A good portion of NY City area legislatures are Democrats - The NYC along with the support of those NY City area legislatures can have quite an impact on NY State politics.
     
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    As I understand it, a church is considered automatically to be a 501(c)(3) organization without filing any paperwork.
     
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    By default the church is tax empt and not required to file 501(c)(3), however if they choose to do so voluntarily they can by paying the required fee.
     
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    This is incorrect. A church, under the IRS code has a special tax exemption that cannot be revoked. This, however, is not the same thing as being a 501(c)3 tax exempt corporation. The 501(c)3 letter can be revoked.
     
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    There is no such thing as a "501c3 corporation." Incorporation is a function of state governments and requirements differ from state to state.

    Non-taxable status is a function of federal law. ALL churches are automatically exempt from federal taxation under 501c3 as identified in Tital 26 U.S. Code § 508 - Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations.

    (a) New organizations must notify Secretary that they are applying for recognition of section 501(c)(3) status Except as provided in subsection (c),
    (c) Exceptions
    (1) Mandatory exceptions Subsections (a) and (b) shall not apply to—
    (A) churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches, . . .
     
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    Recognition of Tax-Exempt Status Automatic Exemption for Churches Churches that meet the requirements of IRC Section 501(c)(3) are automatically considered tax exempt and are not required to apply for and obtain recognition of tax-exempt status from the IRS.


    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
     
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    Absolutely 100% correct.

    "Churches that meet the requirements of IRC Section 501(c)(3) are automatically
    considered tax exempt     and are not required to apply for and obtain recognition of
    tax-exempt status from the IRS."

    IRS Publication 1828 (as Revised 8-2015) page 2
     
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    Correct.

    "Although there is no requirement to do so, many churches seek recognition of
    tax-exempt status from the IRS because this recognition assures church leaders,
    members and contributors that the church is recognized as exempt and qualifies
    for related tax benefits. For example, contributors to a church that has been
    recognized as tax exempt would know that their contributions generally are
    tax-deductible."

    IRS Publication 1828 (as Revised 8-2015) page 2
     
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  11. Salty

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    That must only apply for income tax.
    For sales Tax, at least in NY State - we file separate paperwork.
     
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    Title 26 is federal law. Each state has its own tax laws.
     
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