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God wants all men to be saved

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Revmitchell, Jan 2, 2018.

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  1. agedman

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    Absolutely, including the redeemed.

    The difference between those believers and those unbelievers is that believers also have a new nature which battles against the nature of the flesh.



    Almost.

    God draws, and uses the Scriptures to instill faith.


    Again, the preaching is the power of God unto salvation, but the draw to hear and to understand resides with God who gives the ears to understand and changes the core (heart) to accept. This is presented (as shown in another post) in Hebrews restatement of the promise given through the prophet Ezekiel.
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    In another place it states that not all have ears to hear, but that those who do are to listen with understanding and results.
     
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    "Revmitchell,


    Everyone believes this...



    Mitchell again plainly denies the fall and its lasting effects on all men right here.When you start with a man centered faulty theology you cannot come to truth.
    So here he continues on in his error with his unbiblical language of man accepting something....
    Here now...he claims man puts himself in Christ...God has nothing to do with RM's false gospel.:Cautious
    The cart now is before the horse...

    Here he confesses his error....:Notworthy:oops:
     
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    Sure, WHY would God, through Peter state that He is not willing for those, who CANNOT be lost, not to be lost, but waits patiently for these who cannot be lost, to repent? This is nonsense!
     
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    God has decreed destined and purposed that none would be lost here....not one.
     
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    This is a mere distraction with the unconscious agenda to find something right among all that was posted in error concerning the OP.

    Luke 22 has nothing to do with the topic.
     
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    Show it big guy.....do you have a verse? 17 times the term free will is used ...everytime in reference to offerings that were not commanded by law....
    never is the term used of fallen mans nature, or will...not once, never...show your verses if you have them......you do not...verses on choose,do not address the will....so show in the bible where free will even exists...
     
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    Yes it most certainly does, as it shows beyond any doubt that Jesus died for Judas, as part of the entire human race, whom He is not willing to perish.
     
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    Scripture is not rubbish my misguided friend, read and learn;
    14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

    15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

    16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    Here is Paul on longsuffering once again;
    21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

    22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
    Rubbish indeed my man centered friend....:Cautious
     
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    you describe a god who's will does not get done....
     
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    Here is a very good example:

    "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about Me, yet you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40)

    The Greek is that they "are not willing", not that "they could not will" because of some external force like their will being "bound" by God!

    Who was Jesus here speaking to? the Jews that wanted to murder Him, "This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him" (verse 18). To these same Jews Jesus says, "I say these things so that YOU may be saved" (verse 33)! Clearly Jesus tells these Jews who were persecuting Him (verse 16), and wanted to MURDER Him, that He WANTED THEM SAVED! These are the words of God Incarnate, not some theologian with some warped doctrine! Deal with this.
     
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    Your THEOLOGY prevents you seeing what the Bible says! I have shown from John chapter 5 Jesus own words about His Death. Deal with this if you can!
     
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    Again, God is speaking towards all of them yet to get saved, His elect, for IF Jesus had returned back at that time, no saved going forward!
     
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    The Calvinists will have all sorts of explanations for this verse lol
     
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    The fact that many sinners perish shows God is very willing that they perish..
     
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    IF God wanted to save all men, why not just do that?
     
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    Yes...these wicked calvinists actually seek to understand the whole chapter....
     
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    This is His wondrous love towards the human race, that He desires all men to be saved!
     
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    Because not all men desire to be saved
     
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    So do the wicked non-Calvinists.
     
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