Of Freedom of the Will

Another strawman.

In fact, I'd say that the problem Ben has is with TULIP, no matter the denomination of the adherent.

No. I said that there are more than Baptists that hold to TULIP, so why not put the discussion in the proper forum?

Because I don't care enough about it to ask.

 

But you seem to care enough about it to assert that any discussion of free will from the TULIP side, be assigned strictly to the CvA forum, while any comments and discussion from the other side, seem to be acceptable in this one.

Is that an accurate assessment?

 

No.

 

With all due respect, I'm not getting that same, firm "no" from my end.
If you ask me, it seems fairly biased in your favor.

 

Well, you're making stuff up in your head. I never said ANYTHING about free will discussions being acceptable (or unacceptable) in this forum. I said it's obvious the appropriate forum for this sort of discussion is Calvinism vs. Arminianism. Not only that but adherents to both sides of this discussion are not limited to Baptists, another reason it should be moved to the other forum.

 

With respect to the bolded part, Benjamin seems to have a real problem with one side of it being here, and you appear to be stepping in on his side.

I think you're avoiding the issue.
To me, you keep insisting that this type of discussion be moved to the CvA forum, even though Baptists throughout history have landed on both sides of the tracks.

You don't see that your request is being unequal in its treatment of both sides?

 

Perhaps the board has become lax in its organization to keep topics in their rightful category. Personally, I come to this forum for other than C&A discussion, that is why the separation exists, and if I wanted to engage in C&A discussion I would have plenty of subjects to begin in the proper forum, but frankly I merely observe Cosmic Calvinistic Consciousness personalities there that can't see past their Calvy lens glasses to engage in a meaningful discussion so I don't bother. Which Is WHY it is preferred to keep that subject in its place!

 

Apparently some people believe they are entitled to come here and proselytize their views wherever they want.

 

Benjamin,

I don't feel that insulting me is very a godly thing to do, and your apparent hatred of everything "determinist" is very obvious to me.
Anything that even hints at God having total control over salvation seems to anger you greatly, from my vantage point.

I'm very sorry that you see His grace to sinners in such a light,
and that any mention of such beliefs is only seeking to draw men away from what you believe is the truth.

However,
This is a forum ( this particular one is under, "Baptist Debate Forums ( Baptist Only )" ). , and I wasn't aware that I ( or anyone else who believes as I do ), needed your permission to express my beliefs as a Baptist, or to engage in discussions that you personally find objectionable.


With that said,

May I suggest dropping the "calvy" comments, and simply ask the mods to...moderate?
I think it's the proper thing to do, rather than continuing this back-and-forth sniping that it seems we are engaged in.


May God bless you, sir, in all areas of your life and in the lives of your loved ones.

 

Actually, two issues. 98% of the manuscript evidence reads "God." And the context cites from Psalms 19 referring to creation as revelation, natural revelation, being the word of God giving faith. Romans 10:17-18.

 

". . . And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. . . ." -- Mark 10:13-15. For the very reason Jesus told Nicodemus, "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." -- John 3:3.

 

Strawman.

And, Strawman.

 

Dave, first, you might want to look up Reverse Ad Hominem fallacy because I see right through such fallacious tactics such as with your shining example above.

This is a forum with categories my friend, again with purpose. FYI, I have been a member of this forum for quite some time and have witnessed the moderators clean up the categories and move the C&A topics to their right category many times over the years to preserve the decorum here. As I said, as a new member your presumption to rewrite the rules as per your agenda is baseless and rooted in ignorance per the decorum here.

Oh yes, I'm sure as per your previous attempt at Reverse Ad Hominem above you find the word "calvy" terribly offensive, as per your many examples of civility as you take the higher ground on a personal note here and please do accept my apology for any offense.

Thank you for your sincere blessing. May you be blessed as well.

 

I tend to agree, although I steadily maintain that God did NOT create anyone who has no chance for salvation & is predestined to hell, no matter what. God is JUST, and creating someone with no chance for salvation would be the greatest INjustice possible! But God DOES give some people more chances for salvation than He does others. That's why , when I witness to someone, I remind him/her this may be the LAST time you hear the Gospel, and not one of us is guaranteed to be here tomorrow, so please open your door to JESUS while He's knocking on it, before He moves on!

yes, Scripture gives us examples of both predestination for special service to God, & of those who consciously made the choice to serve Him.

 

A very sound argument, Brother. Indeed, why would a JUST God create people who have NO chance of eternal life with Him? You have also touched upon the "application" part of the argument, which is the Great Commission. Whether one holds to Calvinist or Arminian views, ALL who follow Christ are to be His witnesses.

 

To "dovetail" off your message, I was thinking of Hebrews 6:1-6, which speaks of the Peril of Falling Away. Specifically, verses 4-6 speaks of those who have fallen away after having been enlightened and made partakers of the Holy Spirit.

 

welcome Lodic,

but you are reading Hebrews wrong. There is NO chance of losing salvation in this passage.... because Christ cannot be crucified again