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Three Schools of Baptist Thought

Discussion in 'Baptist History' started by Squire Robertsson, Oct 8, 2020.

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  1. Squire Robertsson

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    I got this concept from a lecture given by a lecture by a Russian Evangelical Christian-Baptist historian in Sacramento, California. He was speaking at a celebration of the 150 anniversary of the first Russian to be Scripturally baptized. According to him, there were three main schools of Baptist thought and practice. The Anglo-American, Continental (German), and Slavic (Russian). Each of these schools maintian the Baptist distinctives. However, there are differences in how each "does church".
     
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    Without details it is hard to accept this historian's classifications. I have been to a number of Baptist churches in the United States and have witnessed numerous methods of "doing church".
     
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    True, however in the 29 years I've been ministering to the emigre Evangelical Christian-Baptists I've noted these differences.
    • They use red wine for the commemoration of the Lord's Supper exclusively. I.e., they are not teetotalers on this matter. "What part of 'wine' don't you understand, Brother."
    • They never sit during prayer. They stand or better kneel. "You don't sit in the King's presence."
    • Women (especially married women) always wear a head-covering during services and prayer.
    • They are pacifists.
     
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    They sound very much like the Plymouth Brethren.
     
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    True, one of the EC-B's influences was 19th century English PB merchants in St. Petersburg. Another was the ethnic German Baptists who settled in the Volga river region starting under Catherine the Great. The third was colporteurs bringing Christian literature into the Caucasus region. The first Russian to be Scripturally baptized was immersed by German Baptists.
     
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    I would say part of the difference dealt with here is the majority of modern Anglo-American Baptists. On the fourth -- pacifists -- I don't think this has ever been prevalent among the English Baptists. However, I would contend that the other three have had some historical significance and can still be found. Many of what would be considered "primitivistic" Baptists still use wine in the Lord's Supper (and some insist it be homemade) and kneel for prayer. The temperance movement got the communion wine in most (but not all) missionary-oriented Baptist churches in America. The head coverings were once common -- in the old days women wore bonnets, hats, and other style coverings in church -- but I would think it has been many years since many of the churches insisted on it. I know some that still insist on women wearing long hair, though. I have seen head coverings randomly where I have been, but not commonly. Hats on women are still pretty common in our local Black Baptist churches, though.
     
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    I don't mean to say there hasn't been any cross-pollination between the schools. However, due to the EC- being isolated in the Soviet Union, they developed their own take on things. If you bring up the London Confessions they'll say "London what?"
     
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    I'm with you, Squire, in the differences of church "practice". These are vastly cultural and not "Baptist" in distinctive. When I traveled in the70's in Eastern Europe and the old USSR, I noticed very distinct patterns that seemed odd to me, a Baptist from America. Alcohol was a major one.

    Found that 99% of Euro-Baptists drink alcohol, but in moderation. Beer with a meal is the norm. When I told them I did not drink except at communion (we use wine, not Welchade in our church) they thought that I was inconsistent :)

    I am, of course, but try to hide it from others
     
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    They are where 'pre-millennialism' came from, too, and they came from The Roman Catholics, and they came straight from Satan.

    (I don't know a good Scriptural Baptizing, Landmark, Missionary Baptist church that is not pre-millennial, and I see them, Biblically, as The Lord's churches, however, my view of 'literal' is Linguistic, within Literature; as opposed to, 'letter-ism until I don't see a letter to carbon-copy', or something like that.

    Bullinger quoted The Bible: FIGURES OF SPEECH USED IN THE BIBLE EXPLAINED AND ILLUSTRATED By E. W. Bullinger, D.D. How is it that ye do not understand?… Then understood they. MATT. 16:11 , 12

    To me, Jesus is sinless, although He Divorsed The Nation of Israel.

    "Divorse" means SHE IS NOT HIS WIFE, because "Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife:.....Deuteronomy 24: 1-4:

    "When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance."



    To me, Jesus is The Savior Who Forgave the woman in John 8 [do we believe john 8?]

    .

    To me, Jesus is Returning and there is NOTHING that 'needs to take place'.

    Isiaiah 61:2 "To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;", with the "," representing The Age of churches.

    I'm going to one of the most august and venerable churches of the Lord tomorrow.

    You think I should call them on this?


    because..... they concern Jesus' Sinlessness, Ability to Save and Forgive (OR NOT?) and EVANGELISM............. Jesus is Coming Back and it is NOT to Talk to Stubborn Jews, PERSONNALLY.........)
     
    #9 Alan Gross, Nov 7, 2020
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