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  1. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

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    On another thread it was stated God formed Jesus in Mary’s womb without any of her genetic material. Like Adam, God simply formed the human elements of Jesus, and used Mary to give birth.

    This has wide ranging implications of how we view the humanity of Jesus.

    I’ll give a few thoughts later, after I’ve had time to consider it. I was hoping others would give their opinions.

    peace to you
     
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    No DNA from Mary.

    Having thought about this myself, I cannot think of any good reason for it although God could have done it that way. Normal reproduction meiosis requires a splitting of chromosomes to pair up with the other parent of the opposite sex. 1 sperm + 1 egg = a human.
     
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    Correct. God could have used Mary’s egg (with her DNA) and provided the male genetic material: or, God could have created the human being we know as Jesus (fertilized egg and all) and implanted Him in her womb.

    Does it change anything either way?

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    The Catholics think Mary was without mortal sin but had some venial sins but the Bible does not speak to any of this. Since we get half of our genes from our mother and the other half from our father it seems reasonable to me that our sin nature is in the actual genes of our parents then passed to us. If so, then since Mary would have had corruption in her DNA so for that reason I'm inclined to think God provided all of the genetic material for the man Jesus.
     
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    I have believed the sin nature was passed through the father, based on Romans.

    Thanks for the comment

    peace to you
     
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    Not true.
    Galatians 4:4, ". . . But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, . . ." Per Genesis 3:15, ". . . And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. . . ." From Eve through Mary.
     
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    Was God's knowledge of good and evil, per Genesis 3:22. Now that was not a sin nature to the Son of God because was already of His divine nature as the Creator, John 1:10.
     
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    If you are saying that a sin nature is encoded in the DNA then that would mean that God had to do the encoding. I don't think you want to go down that path.
     
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    Very good points. However, “seed” is often used as “descendent”, especially in OT. Would being born of Mary would make Jesus her “seed”, or descendent, wouldn’t it? Does He necessarily have to have her DNA to be her “seed”.

    Thanks for the comment

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    Yes it does... You are saying Mary was without sin?... If Mary was without sin, why did she need a Savior?... Yes Jesus Christ had DNA... Divine New Adam... And I go with the former Jesus (fertilized egg and all) planted by God the Father in Mary a virgin vessel used to birth the Son Of God Jesus The Christ, manifest in sinless flesh to save US, all the Father gave him to save... Brother Glen:)

    1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

    15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
     
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    Her genealogy is understood to be given in Luke 3:23-38.
     
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    Jesus is the 2nd Adam. The 1st Adam was formed by God, perfect in every way. The 2nd Adam was formed by God, perfect in every way. God was incarnated in Mary's womb by the Holy Spirit. By human standards Jesus comes from the line of David to fulfill scripture, but Jesus was perfect in every way, thus he could not have the corrupted nature of either Joseph or Mary.
     
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    Don’t know why you think I said Mary was without sin. I have believed the sin nature passes to children (male or female) from the father, based on the passage in Romans that states through the one man (Adam) sin entered into the world and all sin.

    I haven’t made up my mind on this Baptist Believer provided a link in another thread (Jesus’s African ancestors) to the origins of this doctrine.

    Some of the objections in that link focused on Jesus not taking on full humanity, or at least a different kind of humanity, without Mary’s genetic material.

    I’m not convinced that’s true, since He would have the same humanity as Adam,

    You said something about “Divine DNA”. I don’t think the divinity God has does not include DNA

    Thanks for the comment

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    Very good points.

    How do you answer the question about the Genesis prophecy concerning “enmity between thy seed and her seed” and the Galatians passage that Jesus was “made of a woman”.

    Thanks for the comments

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    Yes thank you. How does that apply to this question?

    thanks for the comment

    peace to you
     
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    No I'm not saying the sin nature is encoded in DNA. DNA gives up physical and biological traits but how do we get our personality? I confess I don't know.
     
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    This thread is long on speculation and short on scripture. To claim Mary did not contribute her "egg" to the process of His incarnation is without support. And to claim the effect of the Fall, is passed biologically, rather than spiritually is also without support. Note Eve's eyes were opened without any biological cause. Why not conclude that scripture says Mary is the mother of Jesus, and therefore her biology contributed of Christ's DNA. Any other view is an argument from silence.
     
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    The truth that Jesus is identified as the 2nd Adam certainly supports the idea that God formed Him outside what we consider a normal pregnancy, just as He did Adam.

    Additionally, the accounts in Luke and Matthew of the conception of Jesus as “of the Holy Spirit” also supports the idea that Mary was implanted with already created egg.

    The folks of that time didn’t understand the medical nuances like we do. Mary carried the baby, Jesus, and gave birth. She is His mother, even if biologically she contributed nothing.

    peace to you
     
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    That sounds like the ancient heresy of docetism, and if true, would invalidate the genealogies of Jesus.
     
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