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  1. SavedByGrace

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    dude, I have already called out your NONSENSE when you posted, that the KJV does not translate πᾶς, by WHOSOEVER, check for yourself and you will see that it DOES in almost NINETY times!

    Yet you continue to try to show that you are "right", and cannot admit that you are WRONG on this

    I have already said why I used Mounce, as it was the first online interlinear I found, and what he says is 100% correct!

    Mat_5:22 ButG1161 IG1473 sayG3004 unto you,G5213 ThatG3754 whosoeverG3956 is angryG3710 with hisG848 brotherG80 without a causeG1500 shall beG2071 in dangerG1777 of theG3588 judgment:G2920 andG1161 whosoeverG3739 G302 shall sayG2036 to hisG848 brother,G80 Raca,G4469 shall beG2071 in dangerG1777 of theG3588 council:G4892 butG1161 whosoeverG3739 G302 shall say,G2036 Thou fool,G3474 shall beG2071 in dangerG1777 ofG1519 hellG1067 fire.G4442
    Mat_5:28 ButG1161 IG1473 sayG3004 unto you,G5213 ThatG3754 whosoeverG3956 lookethG991 on a womanG1135 to lustG1937 after herG846 hath committed adulteryG3431 with herG846 alreadyG2235 inG1722 hisG848 heart.G2588
    Mat_7:24 ThereforeG3767 whosoeverG3956 G3748 hearethG191 theseG5128 sayingsG3056 of mine,G3450 andG2532 doethG4160 them,G846 I will likenG3666 himG846 unto a wiseG5429 man,G435 whichG3748 builtG3618 hisG848 houseG3614 uponG1909 a rock:G4073
    Mat_10:32 WhosoeverG3956 G3748 thereforeG3767 shall confessG3670 (G1722) meG1698 beforeG1715 men,G444 (G1722) himG846 will I confess alsoG2504 G3670 beforeG1715 myG3450 FatherG3962 whichG3588 is inG1722 heaven.G3772
    Mar_10:44 AndG2532 whosoeverG3739 G302 of youG5216 willG2309 beG1096 the chiefest,G4413 shall beG2071 servantG1401 of all.G3956
    Luk_6:47 WhosoeverG3956 comethG2064 toG4314 me,G3165 andG2532 hearethG191 myG3450 sayings,G3056 andG2532 doethG4160 them,G846 I will shewG5263 youG5213 to whomG5101 he isG2076 like:G3664
    Luk_9:48 AndG2532 saidG2036 unto them,G846 WhosoeverG3739 G1437 shall receiveG1209 thisG5124 childG3813 inG1909 myG3450 nameG3686 receivethG1209 me:G1691 andG2532 whosoeverG3739 G1437 shall receiveG1209 meG1691 receivethG1209 him that sentG649 me:G3165 forG1063 he that isG5225 leastG3398 amongG1722 youG5213 all,G3956 the sameG3778 shall beG2071 great.G3173
    Luk_12:8 AlsoG1161 I sayG3004 unto you,G5213 WhosoeverG3956 G3739 G302 shall confessG3670 meG1698 beforeG1715 men,G444 (G1722) himG846 shall theG3588 SonG5207 of manG444 alsoG2532 confessG3670 beforeG1715 theG3588 angelsG32 of God:G2316
    Luk_12:10 AndG2532 whosoeverG3956 G3739 shall speakG2046 a wordG3056 againstG1519 theG3588 SonG5207 of man,G444 it shall be forgivenG863 him:G846 butG1161 unto him that blasphemethG987 againstG1519 theG3588 HolyG40 GhostG4151 it shall notG3756 be forgiven.G863
    Luk_14:11 ForG3754 whosoeverG3956 exaltethG5312 himselfG1438 shall be abased;G5013 andG2532 he that humblethG5013 himselfG1438 shall be exalted.G5312
    Luk_14:33 SoG3767 likewise,G3779 whosoeverG3956 he be ofG1537 youG5216 thatG3739 forsakethG657 notG3756 allG3956 that he hath,G5224 G1438 he cannotG1410 G3756 beG1511 myG3450 disciple.G3101
    Luk_16:18 WhosoeverG3956 putteth awayG630 hisG848 wife,G1135 andG2532 marriethG1060 another,G2087 committeth adultery:G3431 andG2532 whosoeverG3956 marriethG1060 her that is put awayG630 fromG575 her husbandG435 committeth adultery.G3431
    Luk_20:18 WhosoeverG3956 shall fallG4098 uponG1909 thatG1565 stoneG3037 shall be broken;G4917 butG1161 onG1909 whomsoeverG3739 G302 it shall fall,G4098 it will grind him to powder.G3039 G846
    Joh_3:15 ThatG2443 whosoeverG3956 believethG4100 inG1519 himG846 should notG3361 perish,G622 butG235 haveG2192 eternalG166 life.G2222
    Joh_3:16 ForG1063 GodG2316 soG3779 lovedG25 theG3588 world,G2889 thatG5620 he gaveG1325 hisG848 only begottenG3439 Son,G5207 thatG2443 whosoeverG3956 believethG4100 inG1519 himG846 should notG3361 perish,G622 butG235 haveG2192 everlastingG166 life.G2222
    Joh_4:13 JesusG2424 answeredG611 andG2532 saidG2036 unto her,G846 WhosoeverG3956 drinkethG4095 ofG1537 thisG5127 waterG5204 shall thirstG1372 again:G3825
    Joh_8:34 JesusG2424 answeredG611 them,G846 Verily,G281 verily,G281 I sayG3004 unto you,G5213 WhosoeverG3956 committethG4160 sinG266 isG2076 the servantG1401 of sin.G266
    Joh_11:26 AndG2532 whosoeverG3956 livethG2198 andG2532 believethG4100 inG1519 meG1691 shall neverG3364 G1519 G165 die.G599 BelievestG4100 thou this?G5124
    Joh_12:46 IG1473 am comeG2064 a lightG5457 intoG1519 theG3588 world,G2889 thatG2443 whosoeverG3956 believethG4100 onG1519 meG1691 should notG3361 abideG3306 inG1722 darkness.G4653
    Joh_16:2 They shall putG4160 youG5209 out of the synagogues:G656 yea,G235 the timeG5610 cometh,G2064 thatG2443 whosoeverG3956 killethG615 youG5209 will thinkG1380 that he doethG4374 GodG2316 service.G2999
    Joh_19:12 And fromG1537 thenceforthG5127 PilateG4091 soughtG2212 to releaseG630 him:G846 butG1161 theG3588 JewsG2453 cried out,G2896 saying,G3004 IfG1437 thou let this man go,G630 G5126 thou artG1488 notG3756 Caesar'sG2541 friend:G5384 whosoeverG3956 makethG4160 himselfG848 a kingG935 speaketh againstG483 Caesar.G2541
    Act_2:21 AndG2532 it shall come to pass,G2071 that whosoeverG3956 G3739 G302 shall call onG1941 theG3588 nameG3686 of the LordG2962 shall be saved.G4982
    Act_10:43 To himG5129 give all the prophets witness,G3140 G3956 G3588 G4396 that throughG1223 hisG846 nameG3686 whosoeverG3956 believethG4100 inG1519 himG846 shall receiveG2983 remissionG859 of sins.G266
    Rom_2:1 ThereforeG1352 thou artG1488 inexcusable,G379 OG5599 man,G444 whosoeverG3956 thou art that judgest:G2919 forG1063 whereinG1722 G3739 thou judgestG2919 another,G2087 thou condemnestG2632 thyself;G4572 forG1063 thou that judgestG2919 doestG4238 theG3588 same things.G846
    Rom_9:33 AsG2531 it is written,G1125 Behold,G2400 I layG5087 inG1722 SionG4622 a stumblingstoneG4348 G3037 andG2532 rockG4073 of offence:G4625 andG2532 whosoeverG3956 believethG4100 onG1909 himG846 shall notG3756 be ashamed.G2617
    Rom_10:11 ForG1063 theG3588 scriptureG1124 saith,G3004 WhosoeverG3956 believethG4100 onG1909 himG846 shall notG3756 be ashamed.G2617
    Rom_10:13 ForG1063 whosoeverG3956 G3739 G302 shall call uponG1941 theG3588 nameG3686 of the LordG2962 shall be saved.G4982
    Jas_2:10 ForG1063 whosoeverG3748 shall keepG5083 theG3588 wholeG3650 law,G3551 andG1161 yet offendG4417 inG1722 oneG1520 point, he isG1096 guiltyG1777 of all.G3956
    1Jn_2:23 WhosoeverG3956 deniethG720 theG3588 Son,G5207 the same hathG2192 notG3761 theG3588 Father:G3962 (but) he that acknowledgethG3670 theG3588 SonG5207 hathG2192 theG3588 FatherG3962 also.G2532
    1Jn_3:4 WhosoeverG3956 committethG4160 sinG266 transgresseth also the law:G4160 G2532 G458 forG2532 sinG266 isG2076 theG3588 transgression of the law.G458
    1Jn_3:6 WhosoeverG3956 abidethG3306 inG1722 himG846 sinnethG264 not:G3756 whosoeverG3956 sinnethG264 hath notG3756 seenG3708 him,G846 neitherG3761 knownG1097 him.G846
    1Jn_3:9 WhosoeverG3956 is bornG1080 ofG1537 GodG2316 doth notG3756 commitG4160 sin;G266 forG3754 hisG848 seedG4690 remainethG3306 inG1722 him:G846 andG2532 he cannotG1410 G3756 sin,G264 becauseG3754 he is bornG1080 ofG1537 God.G2316
    1Jn_3:10 InG1722 thisG5129 theG3588 childrenG5043 of GodG2316 areG2076 manifest,G5318 andG2532 theG3588 childrenG5043 of theG3588 devil:G1228 whosoeverG3956 doethG4160 notG3361 righteousnessG1343 isG2076 notG3756 ofG1537 God,G2316 neitherG2532 he that lovethG25 notG3361 hisG848 brother.G80
    1Jn_3:15 WhosoeverG3956 hatethG3404 hisG848 brotherG80 isG2076 a murderer:G443 andG2532 ye knowG1492 thatG3754 noG3956 G3756 murdererG443 hathG2192 eternalG166 lifeG2222 abidingG3306 inG1722 him.G846
    1Jn_5:1 WhosoeverG3956 believethG4100 thatG3754 JesusG2424 isG2076 theG3588 ChristG5547 is bornG1080 ofG1537 God:G2316 andG2532 every oneG3956 that lovethG25 him that begatG1080 lovethG25 him also that is begottenG1080 G2532 ofG1537 him.G846
    1Jn_5:18 We knowG1492 thatG3754 whosoeverG3956 is bornG1080 ofG1537 GodG2316 sinnethG264 not;G3756 butG235 he that is begottenG1080 ofG1537 GodG2316 keepethG5083 himself,G1438 andG2532 that wicked oneG4190 touchethG680 himG846 not.G3756
    2Jn_1:9 WhosoeverG3956 transgresseth,G3845 andG2532 abidethG3306 notG3361 inG1722 theG3588 doctrineG1322 of Christ,G5547 hathG2192 notG3756 God.G2316 He that abidethG3306 inG1722 theG3588 doctrineG1322 of Christ,G5547 heG3778 hathG2192 bothG2532 theG3588 FatherG3962 andG2532 theG3588 Son.G5207
    Rev_22:15 ForG1161 withoutG1854 are dogs,G2965 andG2532 sorcerers,G5333 andG2532 whoremongers,G4205 andG2532 murderers,G5406 andG2532 idolaters,G1496 andG2532 whosoeverG3956 lovethG5368 andG2532 makethG4160 a lie.G5579
    38 verses found, 87 matches
    Matthew
    4 verses found
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    Mark
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    Luke
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    John
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    Acts
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    Romans
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    James
    1 verse found
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    1 John
    8 verses found
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    2 John
    1 verse found
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    Revelation
    1 verse found
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    Now APOLOGIZE!
     
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    You posted an online interlinear. But you have yet to engage the Greek of the passage with something other than "so-and-so says."

    The Archangel
     
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    YOU stated that the KJV did not translate πᾶς, by WHOSOEVER. I have shown time and again that it did, and does so MANY times. Yet you continue with your lame attacks because you lack the humility to say that you are WRONG!

    do you still say that the KJV does not translate πᾶς, by WHOSOEVER?

    YOU quoted from a Greek lexicon on the other thread! I quote from a Greek scholar, so WHAT is your problem? You are using STRAWMAN arguments!
     
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    @The Archangel

    THIS is what YOU wrote on the thread on John 3:16

    This is wrong. πᾶς is not where the KJV gets "whosoever." And, I might add, the translation "whosoever" is wrong

    THIS is COMPLETE RUBBISH! on BOTH counts!

    from the list above

    Joh_3:16 ForG1063 GodG2316 soG3779 lovedG25 theG3588 world,G2889 thatG5620 he gaveG1325 hisG848 only begottenG3439 Son,G5207 thatG2443 whosoeverG3956 believethG4100 inG1519 himG846 should notG3361 perish,G622 butG235 haveG2192 everlastingG166 life.G2222
     
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  5. The Archangel

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    Here is what I wrote:

    Nowhere does it mean "whosoever." As an adjective, it requires something to modify, unless it is a substantive, which πᾶς is not a substantive in John 3:16. It could be translated "whomever" or "whoever," but it can't be translated or mean "whosoever." In this case it is modifying the participle πιστεύων, it is not standing alone. Translating πᾶς here as "whosoever" is far too ambiguous for the typical usage. We are left to say "all what?" the answer is the participle πιστεύων, which is "the believing ones." So by lexical standards and grammatical standards, it does not mean "Whosoever."

    Now, here's some deeper stuff: John 4:14 says: ὃς δʼ ἂν πίῃ ἐκ τοῦ ὕδατος οὗ ἐγὼ δώσω αὐτῷ, οὐ μὴ διψήσει εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα, ἀλλὰ τὸ ὕδωρ ὃ δώσω αὐτῷ γενήσεται ἐν αὐτῷ πηγὴ ὕδατος ἁλλομένου εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον. I'll translate if for you: [14] but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” (ESV)

    Did you notice the "whoever," as in "whoever drinks." That is a relative pronoun--ὃς. The KJV translates this as "whosoever." Here the ambiguity of "whosever" is in view as this precedes a subjunctive and has the marker ἄν which means it is a conditional statement. So, it is ambiguous--whosoever drinks will never thirst again.

    But, if we back up to v. 13, we see this: ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῇ· Πᾶς ὁ πίνων ἐκ τοῦ ὕδατος τούτου διψήσει πάλιν, which I will again translate for you: [13] Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again,(ESV)

    Notice the Πᾶς ὁ πίνων construction, which is the same grammar as John 3:16. It is literally "all the ones drinking." There is no "whosoever is drinking," however, because "whosoever" cannot translate πᾶς, because "whosoever" is far too ambiguous for this grammatical construction. So, with John 3:16, the πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων does not and cannot mean "whosoever."

    No, the KJV doesn't translate "Whosever" from πᾶς for reasons argued above. The KJV takes the article ὁ from ὁ πιστεύων as a relative pronoun. It is from the relative pronoun(s) we get "who, which, what, the one who, that which." Since the relative pronoun ὅ and the definite article ὁ look very similar, it is easy to understand why this mistake could have been made. I'm not sure what the manuscripts looked like as far as rough breathing marks and accents are concerned. But, since πᾶς cannot be "whosoever," it must be that they took the article to be the relative pronoun and translated it as "whosoever." But... since πιστεύων is in the masculine singular the relative pronoun ὅς (which is the masculine singular pronoun) would be required rather than the neuter ὅ. So, John does not have "whosoever" in view here. If he did, his construction would use a relative pronoun (because it can be more ambiguous) as he did in John 4:13-14.
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    All you said in response was "My interlinear(s) says..." or "so-and-so says..." You didn't engage with me on anything close to the text.

    Perhaps you don't realize that I have a Master's Degree in this stuff. I am not going to and fro to see what another person says about the text, I am working through the text myself--using the several years of master's level Greek study.

    The Archangel
     
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    SavedByGrace said: ↑
    In the third place, the Greek adjective, "πᾶς", has the meaning, "everyone", the KJV and others read, "whosoever". These are those from "τὸν κόσμον".

    In the fourth place, the "πᾶς" here are limited to those, "who believe in Him (Jesus Christ)", and not "τὸν κόσμον"

    YOUR WORDS:

    This is wrong. πᾶς is not where the KJV gets "whosoever." And, I might add, the translation "whosoever" is wrong

    Calvinism and John 3:16 # 60

    and again I say that you are WRONG!

    I will not continue to discuss with you, as you are only interested in arguments, even when you are PROVEN WRONG!
     
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    Are you ever going to engage with what I wrote (and re-quoted above) or are you just going to keep on making the on-going and unfounded assertion that I'm wrong?

    The Archangel
     
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    Nothing further to say, and you are not humble enough to admit that you are 100% WRONG as I have shown many times, when you wrote

    This is wrong. πᾶς is not where the KJV gets "whosoever." And, I might add, the translation "whosoever" is wrong

    Unless you admit that you are wrong here, I will no longer respond.
     
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    OH WOW!, and YET the great Greek scholar is WRONG on John 3:16, and the meaning of the simple Greek adjective πᾶς!

    A T Robertson was also a Greek scholar, and is wrong on Hebrews 1:8

    G B Winer was also a Greek scholar, and is wrong on Titus 2:13

    We are ALL fallible! You pointed out my error earlier on, and I ADMITTED to it!
     
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    context... Context... CONTEXT!!!... Ever since I have joined this board I have used these five points as determining saved in scripture because there is more than one kind of saved... Its not always eternal and when you think it is and apply it then you have destroyed the context... Here are my five points in order:

    Saved In Scripture
    1. Saved by what?
    2. Saved from what?
    3. Saved by whom?
    4. Saved to whom?
    5. Saved how?

    God saving us alone?
    (An exclusive act of God)

    Something we do in time is in partnership with him by our faithful actions saves us in the here and now and doesn't have any bearing on our eternal salvation, which is by the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST ALONE!!!... Brother Glen:)

    Btw... If anyone can think of anything I didn't cover, feel free to add to the list
     
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    except what you say here has nothing to do with the OP! :rolleyes:
     
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    English is not Greek
     
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    Get a dictionary.
     
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    You don't know what you are talking about :Geek
     
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    Can only be Greek
     
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    That's just dumb. You are wanting to argue about an ENGLISH translation without looking at the English Grammar and Definitions and say LOOK SEE IT IS WRONG BECAUSE IT IS BIASED.

    You are just digging a hole and making yourself look ignorant.
     
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    @SavedByGrace is one of the best at c & p Greek I ever saw here on the BB. :)
     
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    Dude you should not get involved in these threads because it is clear that they are over your head :eek:
     
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    πᾶς means “all.”

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    Am I fallible? Sure. But, here's what you're missing on John 3:16.

    πᾶς means "all." There are 1390 uses of the root πᾶς in the New Testament, 1238 of which are πᾶς. When πᾶς is used with a noun with the article, it means "every one who." In this case (John 3:16) the literal, wooden translation is "all the ones believing," because πᾶς means "all." It can be smoothed out as every one who believes. It cannot be translated "Whosoever believes." As I said before, "whosoever" is far too ambiguous for the construction. This is similar to what I argued here (that you ignored). I've now explained more deeply. Here's the original post.:

    The Archangel
     
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