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Feast Day: The blessed virgin St Mary

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  1. VDMA

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    Feast Day (seven feast days related to Mary): August 15th, The Blessed Virgin St. Mary, Mother of our Lord, for Lutherans/Anglicans (Catholics, the Assumption of Mary, Orthodox, The Dormition of the Theotokos) is a wonderful day to reflect of the Theotokos, the chief of all saints, the mother of God—behold your mother.

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    Almighty God, You chose the virgin Mary to be the mother of Your only Son. Grant that we, who are redeemed by His blood, may share with her in the glory of Your eternal kingdom; through Jesus Christ, Your Son, our Lord, who lives and reigns with. You and the Holy Spirit, one God, now and forever.

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    Isaiah 61:7-11
    Psalm 45:6, 10-17
    Galatians 4:4-7
    Luke 1 :39-45, 46-55

    God bless my Baptist friends.

    Sight: On a side note this thread is cringe worthy.

    Did Jesus have Mary’s DNA?
     
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    St. Cyril and a great number of bishops believed that Mary should be called Theotokos, “Birth-giver to God” (also translated as “God-bearer” or “Mother of God”). This terminology affirmed that Jesus is “one person in two natures which are united.”

    It was determined by an overwhelming majority that Theotokos was the correct title for Mary, and Nestorius was subsequently removed from his position as bishop of Constantinople.


    The title “Mother of God” does not mean Mary somehow existed before God or created God, but that Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is fully God and fully human.

    The Catechism puts it like this, “In fact, the One whom she conceived as man by the Holy Spirit, who truly became her Son according to the flesh, was none other than the Father’s eternal Son, the second person of the Holy Trinity. Hence the Church confesses that Mary is truly ‘Mother of God’ (Theotokos)” (CCC 495).
     
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    Since Mary did have other children - she was no longer a virgin
     
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    The OP has nothing to do with whether or not Mary had children after the birth of Jesus. She was a virgin at the time of His conception (no one disputes that). You are off topic. This thread is about her why the title Theotokos came to be. It had more to do with Jesus being fully God and fully human.

    Personally, I could care less whether Mary had other children. I doubt she did. If a person is blessed with bearing the savior of mankind in her womb, I doubt bearing other children would be on her mind much. There is an abundance of information regarding Mary and her perpetual virginity that many, many evangelicals have accepted: Luther, Calvin, etc. but as you have asked in other threads and even closed them when people strayed from the OP, maybe let's keep it to the rightful title of Mary being Theotokos and leave Mary's perpetual virginity to another thread. Maybe you might want to start another one, although it has been debated ad nauseum on this board over the years.
     
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    Yes it does - the term "Virgin Mary" was used. Mary was no longer a virgin.
    Now,if you had said - "then, the Virgin Mary," or something similar....

    If the OP wants me to change the title - ......
     
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    No, as a Confessional Lutheran, I adhere to our confessions and what the historic apostolic church has always taught—that Mary birthed no other children and remained ever-virgin. It is all about Jesus.

    The Formula of Concord: Solid Declaration, art. viii

    [24] Because of this personal union and communion of the natures, Mary, the most blessed Virgin, gave birth not to a mere, ordinary human being, but instead to a human being who is truly the Son of God the Most High, as the angel testifies. He demonstrated his divine majesty in his mother’s womb, in that he was born of a virgin without violating her virginity. Therefore, she remained truly the Mother of God and at the same time a virgin.

    You know you cannot exegetical approve it, so why insist that Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox and high church Anglican should take the Protestants view that none of the first generation reformers held or the historic church?

    I have seen all the Protestant arguments how they conflate “brothers and sisters” purely to mean biological, etc. I have seen ever single verse and arguments. They cannot dogmatically exegetical prove that Mary had children. But many will dogmatically insist that and berate those who hold to the historic view.

    The blessed virgin St. Mary, the mother of God, the ark of the living God, is all about Jesus. It’s so sad that there are Baptist evangelicals that see Mary as some kind of surrogate mother and have fallen to the ancient heresy of Nestorianism. Mary has a lot to do with Christology.

    Baptist do not have a liturgical and celebrate the Saints—their liturgical calendar consist of Easter and Christmas. Luther nor Lutherans abolish intercession of the saints.

    If you want to adhere to the non-historic Protestants view—okay. I am not going to argue with you. Those who fall into the Nestorian heresy always reject Mary’s perpetual virginity. But then again I would say most Baptist are Nestorians.
     
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    Oh, come on! Baptist use the term virgin Mary all the time, whether or not they believe she remained one, they know she was a virgin before the Holy Spirit visited her. I was a Baptist most of my life and heard the words 'virgin Mary' in many Baptist churches. We hear the virgin Mary come out of evangelical mouths all the time. The Apostle's Creed, which most evangelical embrace, uses the phrase 'born of the virgin Mary'.
     
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    Why do most Baptist reject the title mother of God? Happens almost all the time. To reject the title mother God is a serious Christological err.
     
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    WE do NOT refere to the "Virgin Mary" We do teach that Mary WAS a virgin.
     
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    Obviously we would disagree theologically (as I am a Baptist who disagrees with RCC and Reformed theogy). But I appreciate your kindness.

    Blessings to you as well.
     
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    You cannot exegetical dogmatically prove from sacred scripture that the blessed virgin St. Mary had other children—nowhere in historic church or the historic liturgy was it taught she had children…If you want to dogmatically believe otherwise—okay. I’m not going to argue with you.
     
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    Closed due to RCC propaganda.
     
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