Not commonly understood.

[37818]

There are a number of Biblical truths that are not commonly understood.

And some are simply not agreed on.

The Word being the Son of God, He was twice not a man.

First from eternity past. John 1:2-3 and John 1:14.

The second time on the cross in receiving our wages of sin, per Psalms 22:6, and Romans 6:23, per Romans 5:8.

 

[kyredneck]

There are a number of Biblical truths that are not commonly understood.

Here's one:

10 but hath now been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Tim 1

15 For though ye have ten thousand tutors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I begat you through the gospel. 1 Cor 4

Another:

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that ye who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Mt 19

5 not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 which he poured out upon us richly, through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 that, being justified by his grace, we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 1

Another:

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16

40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

21 which also after a true likeness doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ; 1 Pet 3

 

[37818]

Here's one:

10 but hath now been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Tim 1

15 For though ye have ten thousand tutors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I begat you through the gospel. 1 Cor 4

Another:

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that ye who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Mt 19

5 not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 which he poured out upon us richly, through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 that, being justified by his grace, we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 1

Another:

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16

40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

21 which also after a true likeness doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ; 1 Pet 3

1 Corinthians 15:26 per Revelation 20:14.

 

[kyredneck]

1 Corinthians 15:26 per Revelation 20:14.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1 Cor 15

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20

Yes, the gospel brings these things to light.

 

[37818]

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16

A true promise. The baptism is not a requirement of the promise.
Mark 16:15, ". . . And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. . . ."
1 Corinthians 1:17, ". . . For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: . . .". Colossians 1:23, ". . . the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; . . ."
Jesus told Saul Acts of the Apostles 26:18, ". . . To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. . . ."

 

[kyredneck]

A true promise. The baptism is not a requirement of the promise.

But the passage (Mark 16:16) says that it IS a requirement in order to be 'saved', just as it is in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-40, and 1 Peter 3:21, and Matthew 3:7.

 

[37818]

But the passage (Mark 16:16) says that it IS a requirement in order to be 'saved',

No it doesn't. Not there nor anywhere else. Baptism is included in that promise but not made the requirement.
Romans 10:9 includes confession with the mouth. Romans 10:13-15 includes calling on the LORD{Jehovah,YHWH} too. Baptism. confession with one's mouth and prayer are works. The belief in the gospel is the requirement.

 

[kyredneck]

No it doesn't.

Yes. It absolutely most definitely was a requirement for the Jews of that generation to be 'saved' from the wrath that was soon to come upon them.

 

[37818]

Yes. It absolutely most definitely was a requirement for the Jews of that generation to be 'saved' from the wrath that was soon to come upon them.

No such Holy Scripture.

There is absolutely no Holy Scripture that teaches, if one is not baptized with believer's immersion one is not saved.

 

[37818]

But the passage (Mark 16:16) says that it IS a requirement in order to be 'saved', just as it is in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-40, and 1 Peter 3:21, and Matthew 3:7.

None of those passages teach baptismal regeneration.

There is absolutely no Holy Scripture that teaches, if one is not baptized with believer's immersion one is not saved.

 

[Marooncat79]

The Death of Death in the Death of Christ

death dies because Jesus killed it for the believer

 

[37818]

The Death of Death in the Death of Christ

death dies because Jesus killed it for the believer

Book edition, page and paragraph?
Better yet what Scripture?

What the word says,

1 Corinthians 15:26 per Revelation 20:14.

 

[kyredneck]

No such Holy Scripture.

Yes! There is! I've cited them!

There is absolutely no Holy Scripture that teaches, if one is not baptized with believer's immersion one is not saved.

Yes! There is! I've cited them!

None of those passages teach baptismal regeneration.

Agree! None of the passages pertain to 'eternal' deliverance (salvation). You're just so tunnel vision brainwashed that any time you read the word 'saved' it's in the eternal sense, and that is soooo far from the truth.

What is the 'salvation' in this verse?:

40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

Is it 'saved' from eternity in hell, or is it saved from something in this temporal realm? "This is not commonly understood", particularly by Dispensational evangelicals.

 

[37818]

Yes! There is! I've cited them!



Yes! There is! I've cited them!



Agree! None of the passages pertain to 'eternal' deliverance (salvation). You're just so tunnel vision brainwashed that any time you read the word 'saved' it's in the eternal sense, and that is soooo far from the truth.

What is the 'salvation' in this verse?:

40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

Is it 'saved' from eternity in hell, or is it saved from something in this temporal realm?

Mark 16:16 "shall be saved" and Romans 10:13 "shall be saved" are a meaning in the same sense.

Now 1 Peter 3:21 baptism is the anti-type of the flood. So yes, a salvation in another sense.

 

[kyredneck]

Mark 16:16 "shall be saved" and Romans 10:13 "shall be saved" are meaning in the same sense.

If they are then water baptism is an absolute must. You don't get to 'cherry pick' which parts of the 'formula' for immortality you want to include.

What was Christ's 'audience' in Mark? What was Paul's 'audience' in Romans?

Now 1 Peter 3:21 baptism is the anti-type of the flood. So yes, a salvation in another sense.

No, same exact 'sense', same exact 'audience' as in Mark and Acts 2 and Mt 3.

 

[37818]

If they are then water baptism is an absolute must. You don't get to 'cherry pick' which parts of the 'formula' for immortality you want to include.

You confused meanings. We do not agree on the meanings of the verses.

What was Christ's 'audience' in Mark? What was Paul's 'audience' in Romans?

It looks like we are not agreeing. That being the case, this makes little difference.

No, same exact 'sense', same exact 'audience' as in Mark and Acts 2 and Mt 3.

A case in point. We do not agree on meanings and contexts.

We have here multiple points of disagreements.

Little point to resolve it. To many points of disagreement.

You seem to like difficulties not having answers.

Please do this:
Give one case at a time.
Present an issue.
Give your understanding of the matter.

 

[kyredneck]

You confused meanings. We do not agree on the meanings of the verses.

You've the same 'confusion', the same "not commonly understood", of nearly every Dispensational evangelical because of your blatant disregard, your ignoring of 'the wrath to come' upon that generation that murdered Christ. It's like a Grand Canyon sized chasm in your theology. You're not just missing a piece of the puzzle, you've tossed half of it out.

It looks like we are not agreeing. That being the case, this makes little difference.

The case being it makes a ton of difference in grasping the correct intent of the word 'sozo', ie, saved, delivered, rescued, etc. in many if not most contexts of scripture.

Tell me, WHAT was it that those 'devout Jews' at Pentecost were to 'save' themselves from?:

40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

 

[Marooncat79]

Book edition, page and paragraph?
Better yet what Scripture?

What the word says,

so you believe there is death after the resurrection?

btw. John Owen I think wrote a book w the title

 

[37818]

so you believe there is death after the resurrection?

Your question is not explicite as to what you mean by the resurrection or how you mean.
Does this mean you must deny 1 Corinthians 15:26 and Revelation 20:14?

 

[37818]

The topic of my thread is stated in post#1

There are a number of Biblical truths that are not commonly understood.

And some are simply not agreed on.

The Word being the Son of God, He was twice not a man.

First from eternity past. John 1:2-3 and John 1:14.

The second time on the cross in receiving our wages of sin, per Psalms 22:6, and Romans 6:23, per Romans 5:8.