Do people exist today who are related to Jesus Christ?

I'm talking genetically. You know, sort of like the six degrees of separation. For example, I discovered while doing a genealogy that I used to date a cousin. I never knew it. What would have happened if we had gotten married and had kids? Nothing genetically, as it is distant enough not to create a problem with recessive genes, but if not for the genealogical research that I did, our kids could have married cousins that they didn't know were cousins, etc. How about adopted kids?

Now, I know we all descended through Noah and his kids, but how do you know that your mother's aunt Ada 5 times removed isn't related to your husband's Uncle Elroy?

 

I'm baa-aack!
MR (Hey, cuz!) is no doubt basically correct, as are many of you here, Ray, hope, Scarlett, benz, and I ain't even going to try some of the other names here, et al.
I'm related to all of you- ; I'm your brother, whether you like it or not- - "'cause I've been adopted, my name's written down...", as well as your cousin. Ergo, I'm also a 'cousin' of the Lord Jesus, as well. The adopted part is what counts!
I happen to have two things I always tell people, who are 'overly concerned', IMO, about ancestry, and kinship. "I know, and I'm proud of who I go back to, and that's Adam and Noah! Yup!, i go back to a crooked farmer and and a drunken sailor!
I hope everyone has a great 2006, and gets a chuckle or two from some of my posts, and always remember, cousins, "You can pick your friends, but you're stuck with your relatives!"
Ed

 

I don't "argue" to have the last word, either. I "discuss" issues in an effort to educate myself or others.

You made a statement and I asked for proof because I was not aware of any and wanted to learn about it if there were some.

You did not provide any proof and ended by stating that if your conclusion is wrong then the Bible must be false. There are a lot of Bible scholars that disagree with this statement.

 

Remember the words of John the Baptist, "I tell you that God is able from these stones to raise children unto Abraham".

John, then, did not connect the dots and realize that it takes a genetic link between descendant and forebearer. It only took the action of God, in his mind.

John, of course, didn't even know about DNA anyway.

I still say that on the issue of the egg source for Jesus I will never know the answer until I get to heaven and somebody there Who knows tells me.

 

"I tell you that God is able from these stones to raise children unto Abraham".

Good point, Paul.

Hmmm.

MR

 

...the virgin shall conceive...

Seems pretty clear to me.

 

Yes, I have a hard time considering Jesus a descendant of Abraham and David if He is not actually descended from them.

But Paul does caution us against quarrelling over words.

MR

 

Surrogate mothers "conceive" too. The baby they carry is in no relation to them, however. I believe this to be true with Jesus and Mary. Not once did Jesus ever call Mary His mother...but "woman".

 

well Jesus is my fatherso I think that I am related.

 

Surrogate mothers "conceive" too. The baby they carry is in no relation to them, however. I believe this to be true with Jesus and Mary. Not once did Jesus ever call Mary His mother...but "woman". </font>[/QUOTE]This is what I've tried to address, webdog.

If Jesus is not related to Mary then he is not descended from Abraham and David.

The reason for the geneologies is to prove his lineage, which he does not have under the surrogate mother scenario.

Ah, well. I'm going to let this one drop since we have started in circles.

{However, I do believe that the writers of the Bible, inspired by God, called Mary His mother.}

MR

 

Surrogate mothers "conceive" too. The baby they carry is in no relation to them, however. I believe this to be true with Jesus and Mary. Not once did Jesus ever call Mary His mother...but "woman". </font>[/QUOTE]This is what I've tried to address, webdog.

If Jesus is not related to Mary then he is not descended from Abraham and David.

The reason for the geneologies is to prove his lineage, which he does not have under the surrogate mother scenario.


MR </font>[/QUOTE]If the geneologies are there to prove Jesus's lineage then why is Joseph's included?

 

To give is regal lineage.

 

Surrogate mothers "conceive" too. The baby they carry is in no relation to them, however. I believe this to be true with Jesus and Mary. Not once did Jesus ever call Mary His mother...but "woman". </font>[/QUOTE]This is what I've tried to address, webdog.

If Jesus is not related to Mary then he is not descended from Abraham and David.

The reason for the geneologies is to prove his lineage, which he does not have under the surrogate mother scenario.

Ah, well. I'm going to let this one drop since we have started in circles.

{However, I do believe that the writers of the Bible, inspired by God, called Mary His mother.}

MR </font>[/QUOTE]I disagree. An adopted son carries on the name of the family. The same would be true of a child birthed by a woman with no genetical connection, and still being raised by that same woman carrying on the family name. Mary was the mother of Jesus (caretaker), not the mother OF Jesus. Jesus, therefore, would be from the lineage of Mary and Joseph.

 

Jesus, therefore, would be from the lineage of Mary and Joseph.

If Jesus was not the physical descendent of Mary, he was not a descendant of Adam, and hence not a member of the human race.

 

Joseph's lineage is given because he was considered the legal father of Jesus even if he was not the biological father.

Legally, his lineage must be traced to David.

MR

 

webdog---"Mary was the mother of Jesus (caretaker), not the mother OF Jesus. "

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Time for me to bow out LOL, literally.
Oh, brother.

MR

 

This question introduces all sorts of interesting subjects: Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virgin, Queen of Heaven, Mother of God, Apparitions, Divinity of Jesus, Regal and Legal geneologies of Jesus and several others.

Where shall we start? "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women; and blessed is the fruit of thy womb--Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death, amen"

These words are repeated--for praise and absolution of sin.

The largest "Christian" denomination teaches that Mary is an intercessor, in fact, a co-redemptrix. How can this be true?

Comments? Questions?

Selah,

Bro. James

 

Quoting John the Baptist: Matthew 3:9: ‘ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children to Abraham."

If God could raise up children of Abraham from stones don't you think he could create a "member of the human race" without Mary's egg?

 

If God could raise up children of Abraham from stones don't you think he could create a "member of the human race" without Mary's egg?

John the Baptist was speaking figuratively. It is literally impossible for a rock turned into a man to be a descendant of Abraham, just as it is literally impossible for there to be such a thing as a married bachelor or a square circle.

Such a creature as you describe might be biologically human, but he would not be a descendant of Adam, and hence he is no substitute for the sins of Adam's race.