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Controversy swirls over 'gay'activist playing missionary in movie

Discussion in '2006 Archive' started by Linda64, Jan 20, 2006.

  1. JamieinNH

    JamieinNH New Member

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    Thanks for the information. Combining might have been the wrong word. I didn't know this software couldn't do that. Others can.

    One method I have seen moderators use, In the thread that will be closed, in the last post, post a link to the thread that will remain open for dicussion, and then close all other threads.

    This would point everyone to one thread where a conversation could take place, but it would also allow for the other closed thread to remain for reviewing/reading purposes.

    C4K has done this a time or two with threads that are double in nature and it seemed to work nicely.

    Having more than one thread going about the exact same subject is confussing and leads to people double posting which is against the rules of this board.

    Just a thought..

    Jamie
     
  2. LadyEagle

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    I did that the other day in this forum - here's the link:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/4584.html

    I did not do it for this thread for two reasons:

    a. The OP is linked to a news source.
    b. It was already on page 2 by the time I saw it.

    Last but not least, this thread will be closed after 3 pages.

    No one is required to participate in all or any of the threads involving the same subject matter. This is mild compared to when the Passion of the Christ came out. [​IMG]

    [ January 21, 2006, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]
     
  3. Bunyon

    Bunyon New Member

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    Standingfirm, I don't really want to make him a deacon. That was just a counterpoint.

    I'm telling you the gospel was clear. You can't miss it. Isiah 53 does not mention Jesus either, but the gospel is in it.

    Yes, one of the audiences that will see it are English speaking audiences. But the movie is from the Indians point of view. The reason is no one knew the Indians side of the story of their conversion until it was told to steve saint recently. It is a true story. You can't change the facts just because you have a specific message and mode of deliveries you want to get to "English" audiences. How would you describe Gods words to an illiterate stone age tribe. Telling them the the bible is how God marks the trails seems most appropriate to me.
     
  4. Linda64

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    How would I describe God's Word to an illiterate stone age tribe? Again, a question that is wasting breath. We are not living in the stone age. Unless you know something the rest of us don't.

    You obviously don't read the Bible enough, else you would know that Isaiah 53 is all about Jesus.
     
  6. Bunyon

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    I think you guys should get some sleep so you can think a little clearer. Of course Isiah 53 is all about Jesus, that is my point, that is what I said. It is all about Jesus, but it does not use his name, just like you keep pointing out that the movie does not us Jesus's name. Get it? If Isiah 53 can communicate Jesus and "be all about Jesus" without using his name then "End of the spear" can to.

    You keep missing the point, standingfirm. We are not in the stone age, but the tribe portrayed in the movie was. So that is why the missionaries were trying to use language that they could understand like, "marking trail".
     
  7. JamieinNH

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    Again, thanks for the information, but that's not really the point. When you have users cross posting, and posting links from within threads to other threads within the same board, talking about the same subject, it gets a bit out of hand.

    Anyway... it doesn't matter, it was just an observation of mine.

    If one wanted to really facilitate a good, clean discussion, then one would make it easier to follow. [​IMG]

    Jamie
     
  8. standingfirminChrist

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    So, one does not need to mention Jesus in order to give someone the Salvation message?

    Poppycock!!

    Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    We cannot reach people here in America by using the Word 'Waengongi' for God, or telling them 'Waengongi's son was speared for us' or 'the son made it possible to jump the boa' Talk like that here in America and one may have to take little pink pills for the rest of one's life.

    By telling people here Christ was speared for us, we are taking away from the true account of the cross and all that our Lord and Savior did for us.

    This film may have been effective in Equador, they speak the language... we do not. This film is not about reaching Americans with the Gospel at all.
     
  9. Boanerges

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    Actually, I think that this new wave of supposedly Christian films is about reaching projected sales numbers. It is obviously not about Christian discernment. Allegories and allusions are a luke warm Gospel at best. We all know the warning.
     
  10. Linda64

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    A friend of mine got this article in his email:

    Homesexual Activist Portrays Christian Icon in Upcoming Film
    AgapePress

    January 18, 2006

    Questions and concerns have been raised over the fact that an actor playing the dual role of a slain evangelical Christian missionary and his son in the fact-based film End of the Spear is an openly homosexual "gay rights" activist.

    Television, stage and film actor Chad Allen came out publicly as a homosexual in a 2001 issue of the gay publication The Advocate and has since been outspoken on a number of homosexual issues, including taking part in a Larry King Live forum on same-sex marriage -- all of which leaves some Evangelicals surprised at his selection to play a dual role as two Christian characters in End of the Spear.

    The theatrical film is based on the true stories of five missionaries who were killed by members of the Waodani tribe in Ecuador's Amazon region and of Steve Saint, son of one of the murdered Christians, who eventually returned to that area and befriended the Waodani people. Allen portrays both Saint and his father in the movie, while Saint himself cooperated with the production, has a bit part, and even served as a stunt pilot. According to an article by Linda Rapp on the "gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and queer" culture website "glbtq.com," Allen himself voiced concerns that the Saint family might object to having a homosexual man play their family members in the film. However, to his surprise the actor learned that Steve Saint himself had approved of his casting after seeing a 2003 article in The Advocate, in which Allen talked about the importance of doing good works and serving others. In the glbtq.com article, Allen was quoted as pointing out that Saint had said the things the actor talked about in The Advocate were the very things for which he had fought his entire life, and it would be wrong not to ask Allen to play the part.

    A poster to an Internet Movie Database discussion board, a person who claims to have been involved with the production, said Allen became a good friend of the Saint family and once commented that "he got more acceptance and love from the Christian movie people than he's had anywhere, even in his own family."

    © 2006 AgapePress all rights reserved.
     
  11. Bunyon

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    Standingfirm, you are just unable to understand. The film is about a true event, it is not a proselytising film per-say. No one is advising you to speak wangonnie in your pulpit. That is a silly analagy, I don't know why you keep using it. You are not a missionary trying to make first contact with a stone age tribe.

    Linda, while I hope steve saint knew what he was doing, I don't see the wisdom of using Chad Allen. But all of that is old news.

    Oh, btw linda, did you notice how questionable your source is? The bottom paragraph said that the information was taken from a post on a discussion site in which the Poster "claimed" to know steve. You can't get more questionable than that.
     
  12. Linda64

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    A poster to an Internet Movie Database discussion board, a person who claims to have been involved with the production, said Allen became a good friend of the Saint family and once commented that "he got more acceptance and love from the Christian movie people than he's had anywhere, even in his own family."

    If you read that paragraph carefully, it doesn't say anybody "claimed to know Steve" What it does say, however is, "claims to have been involved with the production". Please try to be more careful when quoting people. Thanks
     
  13. Bunyon

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    He is in fact claiming to know steve as he is relating personal information about the family or chad allen, or he is just relating hersay he picked up on the set- which is even worse. It is a questionable source no matter how you cut it. Point is the individual is just some unidentified guy on a chat site. I hope you and standingfirm the rest of the folks in you guys church would have a higher standard for the information you use in making judgments.
     
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    We do have a higher standard, it is called the Word of God. I am sure you are familiar with it?

    Paul wrote in one of his judgment calls, 'Wherefore, put out from among you that wicked person.'

    Wonder why Paul didn't say buddy up to him and ignore the sin? Wonder what Jesus meant when He said, 'Judge righteous judgnent'?

    Wonder why liberals think we are supposed to think a movie is ok to watch just because someone who produced it claims to be christian?

    We are not to consent to homosexuality, nor to anyone that consents to it.
     
  15. Linda64

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    Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:32)
     
  16. Bunyon

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    "We do have a higher standard, it is called the Word of God. I am sure you are familiar with it?"----------------------------------------------

    Just a while ago, you were saying I was not familiar with my bible because you misunderstood what I was telling you about Isiah 53. This seems to be a common thread with you two - not understanding, yet condemnig. Do you feel at all that you and you guys chruch are legalistic. Keep in mind that the produciton company is a business not a church. Criticle diffence there.

    "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:32) "
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    What are you trying to say here, Linda? Do you want Chad Allen and those associated with him and the movie die?
     
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    No, we want to see them come to a saving knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. What we want to see die, is all these ungodly movie companies... especially ones that are hiding behind a supposed badge of Christianity.
     
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    Standingfirm, I think before you go so far in judgment as you have, you should rely on more information than you have in a few limited internet reports. All I can tell you is the movie was true to the gospel and it had a powerful effect. Go see it, and then judge all you want.
     
  19. standingfirminChrist

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    Bunyan, I don't just get information from the internet, thank you. The movie did come out in the theaters on the 20th. Many church members who wasted their money to see the movie were disappointed and have voiced their opinions as such.
     
  20. Bunyon

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    Well you have not shared that information, but I thought it was well done and I don't personally know anyone who had a problem with the movie itself. There is a lot of captions, so you have to be able to read fast, but the movie was solid. If it werent for the discision to use Chad Allen, I doubt if anyone would be complaining.
     
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